Also it looks like trade between the North and South has increased dramatically. Good news all round.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/17/trade-surges-between-northern-ireland-and-ireland-after-brexit?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3MTAlk9dPAXHpYeysOQxmsl9lXqM4z-YADEFSpk1Omrzhsu_-8duuvWjI#Echobox=1637153314
I was a big fan of his. Do you want me to find quotes proving he was British and also demonstrating that he claimed he felt British or Irish depending on his circumstances. I don’t think I need to google it. And his family regarded themselves as British.
he’s hardly going to completely deny being Irish while living in Dublin.
Agreed. They should stop dressing it up
That was the uup proposal from day 1
That’s nonsense. That’s like me saying that clearly all the Cubs in ni are happy with gstq being played. But I am a little more enlightened and inclusive
There is no argument. There was a very clear agreement that gstq should be played when games are in ni
Nobody ever claimed that he was British, Irish or anything else. However, Irvine himself claimed that while he had a British passport, he was Irish.
However, my original point was that the flag shown when he was on the podium in F1 was the tricolour because of the Motorsport club he was registered with - as were the rules in F1. This fact doesn't seem to register with some unionists and even is ignored by the loyalist knuckle-dragging scum who threatened the Irvine family.
Similarly, anyone playing rugby on the island are affiliated with the IRFU which is Irish so the tricolour is not inappropriate.
What's 'nonsense' about it?
The vote/decision was obviously a democratic one within the IRFU and a compromise arrangement was reached to show inclusion. Clearly playing GSTQ would have been anomaly that wouldn't work. Thousands are enjoying playing for and watching an Irish team play as Ireland but you cannot wait to involve some politics to bring it all down. You have no interest in rugby, why not leave it that way?
Eh? You have to pretend you are Irish, because you are living in Dublin? 😁😁
That's because that is what he and his compatriots would do and so he imagines that everyone behaves the way he does.
Just projection.
I worked with a lad from Derry over in Holland in the mid 90s. Definitely nationalist leaning at the time. He told us that he had a British passport. He said it was cheaper than the Irish passport! 😂😂😂
Not really, that's the anthem of the UK and England again NI has no officially recognised national anthem, what would happen if Ireland were playing England in Ravenhill? They would play it twice? What an absurd idea.
if I said I am not going to move my old slippers from the front door to the living room. That doesn’t mean that the only place my old slippers can stay is the front door. Seems a big leap to think I must keep them at the front door
You are simply wrong. The tricolour was hoisted for him by mistake. The normal routine was the union flag and gstq.
downcow, the man was clearly talking about a plan which included a sea border.
Oh what the hell, swallow the nonsense again, can't say you weren't told.
There always was checks on the sea and there always will be. It’s the level of those checks that is the problem. I think the Eu have already said the will reduce them by 80% That’s a great start. Let’s keep travelling
The official anthem of ni is gstq. I thought you would know that.
No, that's the official anthem of the UK. What do you propose be played to represent the Irish/N.Irish and Unionists in the north? Remember now that Unionists do not own the North and are, in fact, now a minority. Remember too that fewer than one third of the population of the six counties identify as 'British', so go ahead, give us a suggestion or two..
Edit: Anyone else have suggestions as to what song/tune should be played to represent people in the North?
😁😁 'Tis a desperate man who will see threadbare slippers as silk ones.
No its not thats for England and the UK, NI doesnt have an official anthem. This is a fact which you cannot prove otherwise.
I'm a bit lost to be honest, is this what downcow is talking about?
You are saying Varadker showed EU delegates a picture of an IRA bombing. I wasn't aware of that. Presume he was showing them the trouble a border would most likely bring.
Downcow I know you think Europe are the instigators of a potential border, so are you saying varadker was threatening the EU that if a border went up the IRA would bomb Europe or something?
The Irish Times published an interview with the relatives of people killed at the border about what the return of a border meant to them.
Varadkar took the article to a meeting in the EU and spoke about and quoted the fears of those people.
Unionists seized on it as a threat from Dublin and have pathetically been using it ever since. Curiously neither the people interviewed nor the Irish Times who are being accused of threatening violence. Any port in a storm, as they say.
No of course there already is a border. he was suggesting that if anyone dared to put any physical checks on the border then militant republicans would start killing people
Never heard of this , or read the article for that matter, but showing this is a supposed threat from Varadker against who, Britain or the EU? Britain don't want a border and the EU do (so I've read).
Also what possible threat could Leo fecking Varadker make against anyone
folks. An honest question. Do I twist things as much as this? If I do then please call me out. I seriously worry when I read these type of posts, that I may unknowingly be engaging in similar. If I do let me know and I will try to be more sincere
Yes.
Can you tell your version of what happened?
But what happens if he is right? What happens if a border is put on Ireland and security officers are killed? It is being warned by alot of politicians on all sides as well as the former PSNI head. What happens if they're all proven right?
You are coming at it from the angle that because LV is warning of trouble a border could bring that he is exciting trouble should there be a border which is ridiculous. But that is the spin that some want to put on it.
The troubles could also be referred to as a UK civil war. London has more to lose if trouble kicks of again as it's in their jurisdiction. Most people looking at this objectively would think it would be extremely foolish to take peace for granted and stick a hard border which could be a complete disaster.
Here is the story about what Varadkar did. Something he was perfectly entitled to do. But Unionists call this a 'threat'.
Taoiseach uses copy of ‘The Irish Times’ at Brussels dinner to emphasise Border issue
Here is downcow repeating again the Unionist position on it:
Now you are dancing on the head of a pin. They used the threat of violence. One of the most notorious was when you pm took a copy of a newspaper showing bombings to an Eu dinner.
When you deny that nationalists and your pm used the threat of violence to their advantage, you lose all credibility with me.
Sorry saw FrancieBradys reply before seeing this. I meant a hard border.
What's wrong Varadker highlighting this to people who may not have a clue about Ireland.
Is a return to the dark days not what we all are afraid of? What do you think republican lunatics will do if there is a hard border on the island? What do you think loyalist lunatics will do in return. What do you think lunatic British politicians will do? The same thing that has happened for hundreds of years, every "side" thinking they are the ones with the moral right to have dominance over the other, and deaths and killings follow.
The current status quo is the only thing stopping all this shite kicking off again, where all "sides" lose equally, and allow the normal people trapped in the middle to live normal and peaceful lives. It seems to me the NIP epitomises this, all sides lose for the benefit of all.
English nationalists are scuppering NI peace after generations of war purely for their own ends, certainly not for NI's. It is depressing Britishness constrains Unionism into supporting the whims of English nationalism.
The people are already winning if the figures are correct.
The only ones losing are those who tried to take NI into a cul de sac but have ended in there on their own, furiously blaming everyone but themselves. Carson warned them but they wouldn't listen.
