Lord Frost ... has also given assurances during a visit to Northern Ireland that the UK is not trying to move border checks and controls from the Irish Sea to the Irish border.
So they are staying in the sea then....?
Well no actually you are not.
I'd imagine this is a variation of " we won't put up a border & we propose that nobody puts up a border & let the UK circulate whatever it wants within the single market while not having to comply with the rules everyone else does".
My understanding is that the IRFU has agreed that within the island of Ireland the flag and anthem of the jurisdiction where the match is played will be used. That seems to be a reasonable approach. (More knowledgeable rugby fans can correct me).
Not so reasonable when you consider that the one time in the last 60 odd years that an Irish game was played in Belfast, they decided to not bother with that approach https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/22/northernireland.rugbyunion .
The UK national anthem will always be the wrong one to play when the Ireland team take to a pitch.
The Ulster clubs had no problem with this, even Paisley could not muster much of an objection.
Not really DC. The unionist community in NI is constrained by the will of Westminster and as Dominic Cummings once said
I don’t care if Northern Ireland falls into the f@@king sea’
The DUP will exhaust themselves complaining about something they helped create. They'll exhaust themselves sooner or later.
I was creating a comparable hypothetical situation and referring to your T showing pics of Ira bombs to Eu delegates
The IRFU is an organisation based in the RoI and operates under the Irish flag. It covers the entire island and all clubs on the island are affiliated to the IRFU. It however has shown its abiltiy to be inclusive by having a separate anthem to be sung. I presume any all-Ireland organisations based out of NI or the GB who wish to use the Union flag do so (I just can't think of any apart from unionist groups).
The same principal applied to Eddie Irvine had a superlicence issued by Dawson St and therefore he was deemed by the FIA as Irish. When the tricolour was flown for him, the loyalists thought it would be a good opportunity to threaten his family.
You are making 2+2 = 5. He didn’t say that at all
Pressure from the White house will ensure the UK will not attempt to endanger the Irish border.
I know they claim that as a get out clause but it doesn’t hold up to inspection.
Except it does, because NI much like with its flag doesnt have its own official anthem.
Are you saying the journalist is lying?
He has also given assurances during a visit to Northern Ireland that the UK is not trying to move border checks and controls from the Irish Sea to the Irish border.
He is certainly talking about an Irish Sea border being a part of his 'compromise' here.
Asked if the UK would like some sort of light-touch technological solution between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, he replied:
"That's not what we've proposed. What we have proposed is an ambitious compromise, it does not require infrastructure or checks at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, it involves us accepting responsibility to police goods going into Ireland on the Irish Sea and we think that is a reasonable compromise.
NI Protocol: Deal can be done, says Lord Frost - BBC News
Eddie Irvine was British, with a British passport and had the union flag flown (bar on I think 1 occasion when the tricolour was put up by mistake as the organisers looked at his race licence).
he tried to get a neutral flag but wasn’t allowed.
if you went by the race licence then half the drivers would be having the union flag.
Irvine himself said he was Irish. The tri-colour was flown multiple times and it was only after his family received threats that he requested a neutral flag, and the neutral flag he wanted was a shamrock
But at the end of the day, I'm Irish. I mean, I've got a British passport, but if you're from Ireland, north or south, you're Irish. And 'British' is. . . such a nondescript thing, isn't it?
Honestly, why don't you google things before making claims?
I agree. I just think the IRFU should be honest about it and say exactly that. I was replying to the post that said the approach to play the anthem of the place of jurisdiction is reasonable, but it isn't a reasonable approach when they just play games in Dublin, it's a dishonest fudge.
"That's not what we've proposed. What we have proposed is an ambitious compromise, it does not require infrastructure or checks at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, it involves us accepting responsibility to police goods going into Ireland on the Irish Sea and we think that is a reasonable compromise."
lol, Frost can call it what he wants but that's a complete climb down.
The anthem of Ireland is not GSTQ. It is the preferred anthem of those who identify as British in Ireland.
The rugby team is 'Ireland' which will never be wholly in the UK.
There is no practical way around this.
The participating clubs in Ireland reached a compromise on this that is clearly and evidently satisfactory to those who play and watch the sport...leave the politics where it belongs and let them at it.
Francie did you actually read my first two words ?
Yes. You agreed, while not really agreeing the point on GSTQ.
The IRFU should never have agreed to play it in the first place. They mistook appeasement for inclusion.
Quite, we need more organisations and bodies figuring out how to incorporate both main traditions on the island.
Whats dishonest about it? There is no comparabley sized stadium to Landsdowne Road in Northern Ireland, they dont even have 1 that would meet even 1/2 their capacities. And again since NI dont even have an official national anthem it would likely cause more issues if anything due to arguments about what to play like we are seeing here.
Nowhere did I say GSTQ should be played for Ireland at an Irish rugby international for the simple reason that I don't think it should be. The very idea is ridiculous.
If you wouldn't mind though, please don't infer I've said something when I haven't, thanks.
GSTQ used to be played at games in Belfast up through the 40s or so. The "official" policy was to play the home country anthem but all games were in Dublin from the 50s onwards until they played one game in Belfast a decade or so ago and decided the policy was simply unworkable and only Ireland's Call was played in Belfast. I would rather Amhrán na bhFiann was not played in Dublin tbh, but its a minor issue in the scale of things.
Scotland and Wales don't use GSTQ. It would be odd to play that at an Ireland match. Imagine if we were playing England in Belfast and we played (GSTQ of England). The Irfu should just go back to one all Ireland flag and anthem.
I don't think they will ever play many home games outside of Dublin. Dublin is Irelands largest city with the largest stadium. In a time where money is everything they are not going to move away from the Aviva and give up money for that reason alone.
The same reason is why an all Ireland football team is unlikely .... money. The FAI won't give up Dublin as a home venue and IFA will want belfast as historically that was the home of the all Ireland team. Even if it were suggested a 50/50 split between Belfast and Dublin the FAI would see that as too much money to give up.
I never said you did.
The 'dishonest fudge' was not the recent decision to not play GSTQ, the fudge was the original decision to play it. It was never an anthem suitable for playing at games where a team called Ireland was playing.
After a very long time hearing downcow talk about it, I finally realised today that when Varadkar showed those pictures or whatever, he understands it as him actually threatening that violence, rather than him warning of the threat of violence.
Not much any of us can do. That Daily Mail article he read years ago grew into a firm belief that that is what happened.
They cling to that being the same as actually threatening violence (as if Varadkar was directing the IRA) as a non swimming sailor clings to a life belt.
So it looks like it's accurate to say that there's very little opposition in Ireland (north or south) to the NIP.
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