Issues with my Manager

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389656#Comment_118389656

I assume you mean your old manager is leaving you off emails. I'd just ask your new manager to pass on anything they feel you need to know and forget about it.

Ashley02

Thanks everyone for your help. I moved to the new manager and all is working great with them. They've even given me a payrise and I'm due to get a good bonus in a few months so I can't complain at all about my current manager!

It was coming up to our review time and I needed the old manager to review my performance for the last six months, I reached out to her to arrange a meeting which She has ignored so I'm not chasing it, I've tried but what I've since noticed is that I'm being left off emails that I believe that I should be on which I don't believe is okay.

I'm trying to be professional but it's really hard when I'm being treated like this. I'm afraid that I'll end up missing something important.

n0minus1

Thanks for pointing me to that, I missed it.

Its a more helpful response than others

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389647#Comment_118389647

Because they said they were moving to the new manager on Jan 1st. It is in the post that you quoted

n0minus1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389560#Comment_118389560

Why?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118388380#Comment_118388380

You might want to wait until the new year before asking 🙂

n0minus1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169253#Comment_118169253

How is it going with the new Manager?

Excellent. I think thats the smart play here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169253#Comment_118169253

Excellent. Great early Christmas present. Just a word of caution if I can, don't gloat towards your current manager, continue to be professional and polite and don't make any reference to the grievance you felt existed. If they ask you to do something before you transfer across, try to do it as long as it is any way a reasonable request. And even in the new year, if you have any dealings with them, stay professional.

Well done. You should take a self confidence boost from navigating this.

Ashley02

Good news to report, I've just been informed that I'm moving to the other manager from the 1st of January. Thanks for all your advice & help.

..and always keep paper/email records. Even if a person is ignoring you or trying not to leave a trace. Nothing so useful as a long paper train.

"Further to our meeting, (even if its verbal in the corridor) at location, at time, items discussed, agreed. With regard to our phone call, ,....as agreed..."

You can be sure if someone only ever does things verbally, especially if they are at a senior level, it often done very much on purpose.

Learnt that lesson on one my first IT jobs as a contractor. Been a lifesaver so many times.

Strumms

Re: the holiday requests... if she doesn’t reply within a reasonable timeframe.. escalate....I had a manager who was a bit ‘slow’ on the admin side of things like that... one year she cost me and the other half over a hundred euros between us, my holiday request was sitting in her inbox... I verbally reminded her, 4 days later no approval, kicked it up the chain to her boss along with screenshots of the price hike... she must have got a bollocking because totally became efficient...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118158308#Comment_118158308

Just because you say it isn't, doesn't make it not bullying either...but it ticks a lot of the boxes.

The problem for this manager is they are most likely creating a history of treating the OP differently in their communications without realising it.

The OPs best option is just move to different manager. Avoid the drama queen and get back to work.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118157846#Comment_118157846

Just because you say it is, doesn’t make it so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156902#Comment_118156902

Of course its bullying.

She's being singled out unfairly, treated differently and blanked. It also unprofessional and unproductive.

If I was the OP I would just make lateral move to another team. I would ask around see who is looking for staff. I wouldn't go through HR, I just go where I was needed more.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118157034#Comment_118157034

Depends if the other person is any good or not.

Won't somebody please think of the other manager? Maybe they don't want another person reporting to them, I know I wouldn't be too pleased to be asked to manage another person out of the blue.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156902#Comment_118156902

I never mentioned 'bullying' and don't think necessarily that that is the case here.

But that doesn't mean that the OP is not entitled to support their request to move to another manager.

tobottherobot

Personally, I wouldn't go near HR to state you're being bullied as I don't think it would warrant any more than a quiet word from HR to the manager at best. Despite being confidential, these things travel around and as your line manager will be responsible for assessing your performance and development potential within the organization, it might hold you back down the road. Also, if your desired manager was aware he/she may think that you could be problematic to them also and not endorse a change.

Perhaps it might be better to approach it a bit softer to HR indicating that you love working for the company and see your future there but that you don't really click with your current manager.... just one of those things and there is no hard feelings etc. etc. Then you could propose a the other manager.

Good luck!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156837#Comment_118156837

I’m sorry, I do.

The bar on what is considered bullying was raised a few years ago in the Supreme Court case below. The warriors that inhabit boards often blow on about bullying when there is even the slightest issue at work. The op and his/her manager don’t have a great relationship, sounds like both would benefit from being apart, but does any of what the op posted amount to repeated assaults on his/her dignity at work? Or is it just that the op wants to work on another team where he/she feels more appreciated?

https://www.matheson.com/insights/detail/has-the-supreme-court-decision-in-ruffley-established-a-higher-threshold-for-bullying

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156794#Comment_118156794

You know that is not what is being implied here. But, carry on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156767#Comment_118156767

12/11/21, Got no praise today, I’m being bullied.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156681#Comment_118156681

No in both cases, but it indicates a pattern and is worthy of being noted.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156642#Comment_118156642

I don’t think that any would deny that praise improves moral, but is the op’s manager required to praise them, and is it bullying if they don’t?.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156224#Comment_118156224

You're deliberately misconstruing what is being said I reckon.

The OP isn't looking for an announcement on the intranet every time they did something but the case they outlined and the lack of any sort of recognition from their Line Manager is telling.

I've worked in mid-level management roles for years and it is a frequent line of communication between people at that level to ensure people are recognized by their line manager (and others as appropriate) when they have excelled in a particular way. It costs nothing for the company to do it, but can have a very positive effect on employee moral.

The company I work in at the moment has a monthly newsletter from the CEO and frequently after successful projects have been delivered someone may be identified by name in for the efforts they put in. The company has offices in 7 locations in the US and 4 other countries and not everyone knows everyone else but when someone is recognized in this way, it generally leads to positive vibes within their team/office and that can only be a good thing. The CEO doesn't know the minutae of who did what on a project but the fact that the information got as far as him for the article shows the PM, the Group Manager and Office Director recognized the efforts and that is where the benefit is.

veil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058214434/issues-with-my-manager

You desire acknowledgement, my dear, the fact still remains she is your manager which means you have to put up with her until you have an option, so I will suggest you apply 'condition behavior' with her. Don't be intimidated, her position is just a title, as an employee you have an upper hand, play her card very well, she might just be looking for a way to take you out, if the pay is good, you shouldn't back out; about the email, try copying as many recipient as possible (including your personal mail different from the company)to prevent any unforeseen circumstances ,for that will be a backup, in case she wishes to use that against you.