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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    How will an interest bearing loan take the sting out of it? That's pretty much the definition of a sting. 😂

    I've already said that there needs to be serious incentives and monetary supports to get people to buy into this, not just expecting people to take out debt to pay for it. Tax incentives and EU funding sound great but I'll reserve judgment until they become a reality and actually provide serious support and incentive.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a loan or savings, one or the other. Guess you decide which is less painful for you and go that route. Personally I'll probably do a mix of both, whichever makes most financial sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Or not at all. Large numbers of people won't be queueing up to throw savings or taking out loans for heat pumps and all that comes with them. Won't happen. Government are deluded if they think this will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    They may not all be farmers, but at least they live in the houses they have.

    What are your thoughts on the upper-class people that have holiday homes all over the country? you know the type, the one with the big SUV's that cant drive them and send the kids to the climate protests with their silly little banners.

    All this In the middle of a housing crisis.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Granted there will be some who will never want to change, but those on the lowest BER's already have the highest heating costs by a mile and that will be motivation enough for many

    Sure there'll be some who'll burn oil 'til the day they are buried but that number will drop steadily over time

    Note, they also said the govt were deluded about the plastic bag levy, the smoking ban and so on. How about we wait and see once the programs are actually set up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Someone in a F or G rated house would need to spend a small fortune to get it up to spec. While their bills are high they'd need massive support to do all the work needed. It would cost tens of thousands.

    I await these programs with anticipation and have already said that solar panels with battery/FIT make sense for a lot of people with a bit more financial support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Have the Green Party trained you in how to respond to every post but never actually answer what your asked.

    So I'll ask again, what are the people of Dublin going to do about all these major transport cancellations and delays, you know the ones that were to take cars off the streets and make it a more eco-friendly city.

    Are ye just going to take it lying down, because I not hearing of any Politician coming under pressure, what about Mr Ryan swanning around Glascow saving the planet, he the Minister for Transport in case you didn't know, then again he's not to bothered because the same fools vote for him every time, and he knows it.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They will if the other options become too expensive. Heating oil bring a case in point right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    In case people haven't seen it SEAI grants for fabric upgrades only apply to pre 2006 houses and for renewable upgrades only pre 2011 so not exactly a massive government push to get houses upgraded and save the planet kinda thing nevermind the disaster SEAI are to deal with.



    In fairness heat pumps are covered by renewable criteria but they include this lovely papargraph:


    Before you apply

    To qualify for a heat pump system grant your home must be well insulated and have low heat loss. This is to ensure your heat pump system performs well and your electricity bills are not too high. That is why we require a technical assessment to be carried out first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    My house was built in the early 70's, The likes of a heat pump in my house is never going to work no matter how you insulate it, I drylined all the walls years ago, 2 layers of good insulation in the attic, I have an oil burner and a stove with a back boiler that heats the water and rads.

    I was thinking about this today and just worked out what it costs me to heat the house, oil burner on in the morning approx on for 45 min cost around €1.50, no one around the house during the day, stove on around 6/7pm till 11/12pm cut my own timber, cost about €0.80 cent for the night.

    So don't think I can get any cheaper that, not even if I got a heat pump for nothing would I put one in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Most rural houses only use oil as back up, stove or range will be the main heating source, It's still cheaper than it was in 2009,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    A lot of new houses have a big Polish solid fuel boiler in the shed,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    1,000 litres of oil is similar or even cheaper today that it was a decade ago. Don't think too many people are going to be panic buying heat pumps just yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Would be similar,small 80s house,attic is insulated, have an open fire as well. Bit of coal with the logs, heating bills are small compared to electricity bills,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    You mean you don't want to take on a huge personal loan for a heat pump that'll be useless for your house??? Disgraceful 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Yep, can beat the old timber and turf, must be the only thing I'm not paying tax on, or carbon tax either for that matter,

    but the powers that be would love to have the whole country with heat pumps so they can charge what they like then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Gg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Just heard some td from Cork making a valid point about green policies regarding public transport being so expensive it actually puts people off using it. You might think e Ryan and Co first priority would be to reduce costs and encourage its use. An easy win it would be but no they concentrate on mad pie in the sky rubbish. A family of four travelling from Cork to Dublin by train costs 230 euro. Crazy stuff



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I'm kind of amused at all these people asserting that their house was built in the 70s or 80s and a heat pump "would never work" in it. There's people up and down the country with similar vintage houses running a heat pump. My own house was built around 1968 and we're managing just fine with a heat pump.

    Re. SEAI only providing grants for older houses, I'm assuming it's because recent building regs mean that newer homes usually wouldn't need that kind of upgrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    If they could even get a reliable infrastructure at least ffs. My woman and young fellah took the train recently which would be once in a blue moon for her between cork and portlaoise.

    Got her train back afterwards and they stopped at limerick junction and told everyone off.

    No prior warning. Waiting for next train for an hour. And this was a one off use.

    Jesus if that's the kind of public transport they have ya can keep it. Your also right.

    Got the tickets at reduced cost and it was way too expensive at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Public transport in Ireland isn't expensive, the trains here are far cheaper than in the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Don't think so, round trip between Manchester and London booked a week in advance is 110 sterling. Half the price!. Anyway nobody is going to pay 230 euro return to Dublin from Cork when the car would cost half that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Rural buses are very expensive, it’s cheaper to drive and park in my nearest city. No brainer anyway as I’d have to drive and park by the roadside in order to get my nearest bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    You would think the greens main policy would be ensure a reliable public transport infrastructure and as cheap as possible to encourage people to use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    No one said that heat pumps won't work in houses built in the 70's or 80's, of course they will, I can put one in my shed outside and it will work, but will it be economical to run, not likely unless you spend up to 100k on a retrofit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Get a heat pump but you also need a boiler to top it up just in case.


    Madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    They won't work as designed or economically without serious retrofitting works to houses such as air tightness, wall wrap insulation, new windows and doors etc. That's the whole point here - people need to spend enormous amounts of money to retrofit these in. Your Guide to Heat Pumps in Ireland | Bord Gáis Energy (bordgaisenergy.ie):

    Untitled Image




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,788 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    A bit like our national grid. Loads of wind turbines but we'll need gas generators just in case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    We have to more than double our electricity supply in the next ten years (if the govts EV target of 1mil vehicles is to be believed), meanwhile we are removing out baseload generation and relying almost totally on the variable output from wind and solar. Even the idea that we could double our supply of peak wind and solar by 2030 is nonsense, when you factor in that they arent often outputting at their peak it means we will have significant energy shortfalls for the coming several decades.

    Unless we can more than double our electricity generation and install a massive amount of grid scale battery storage, we will be seeing energy shortages by 2030



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    It's hard to tell that to the brainwashed, or should I say greenwashed.



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