I for one do not believe he shot them people out of self defence and never meant to kill them. I think he intended to kill them and thought he would get away with it. The Judge as well is a joke. What a very strange trial. Only in America.
He's a damn fine shot anyway, hit three targets under pressure. The world is now short a serial nonce, a violent felon with a string of domestic abuse charges. And a dipshit with a previous conviction for..... use a firearm while intoxicated..suprise.. who got his bicep blown off for pointing his gun at the wrong person.
Must have been one of those good tragedies.
Probably the same reason why you keep leaving out the fact the person who was shot charged Rittenhouse and tried to grab his gun. Calling him an unarmed protestor leaves an awful lot of important detail out.
BLM is as White middle and upper class dominated a movement as you will find.
I wasn't talking about a very narrow situation. I was talking about cultural context. Noting veterans day is something that would have taken place in many courthouses in the US this morning.
Sharpton Is one of the biggest race baiters in the US and has never turned down a chance for self promotion in his life.
Impressive word salad but has zero bearing on anything I said.
Yes they come out armed to the teeth, and all the evidence shows they only use force when attacked.
They act as a deterrent. We don't have any stats on how many lives, livelihoods, businesses were prevented from being destroyed due to these guys. People instead just get offended because they are white guys with big guns who are not showing weakness. That bothers a lot of people who only see evil intentions in such people.
Unfortunately we'll never know because we'll never see white Americans rioting and looting for weeks on end on the same scale as what BLM did last year.
Both sides involved in that incident were acting like morons. You wouldn't want either side in your own neighborhood.
Ultimately this needs to be viewed from a non partisan perspective.
Unfortunately, whatever the verdict the people on the opposite side will see all sorts of reasons for the verdict to be declared invalid.
Nobody wins here, if anything is learned from this episode it should be that chasing people with guns and trying to assault them isn't the brightest of ideas.
What a mess.
But yet no sign of the good old boys showing up emass dressed as wannabe navy seals ,the business owners Asian or other defensed their business because in most cases the police had zero control ,
What we've seen lately is the various types of far right groups from three percenters to proud boys and numerous other armed groups coming out in force when it blm or similar protests usually traveling from multiple other states to get to a particular protest to try intimidate the actual locals protesting ..
Wannabes that's all they are
Fair play to Kyle.
He travelled to a peaceful protest with good intentions. Lucky there were folk like him there. Apparently it turned into a riot at some stage shortly after.
Some of you guys are very fond of inferring things with zero evidence.
For the record, I feel very saddened that American culture creates 17 years old's that feel they need to arm themselves with military grade rifles, and march into what is effectively an urban war zone to defend their community from their fellow citizens.
Just like I find it very sad, that young people get dragged into pointless organizations like BLM and antifa etc. These are not roads that lead to anything positive in society!
I do think the young kid acquitted himself well, considering what he was up against. But that does not mean I am a fan of any of it. It's depressing to think about it too much - every aspect of it.
I fear we might start importing this type of stuff onto our shores too. I hope I'm wrong about that.
The mindset of the defendant is what's at issue in self defense claims, not the mindset of the other people who were in the area. It doesn't matter why Huber and Gosskroetz were attacking Rittenhouse. It matters that they were, and that Rittenhouse felt he was in immiment danger of grievous bodily harm or death.
Thank you for your contributions, you certainly bring a unique perspective.
Agreed and that is where the law becomes a mess.
By that standard if he went into a school and shot a few kids he would then once retreating be legally entitled to continue to shoot anyone who tried to disarm him. It allows the biases of the jury related to a given situation to convict or let walk free.
If he was a radical activist type, the ivy League school, suburban picket fence home and suited daddy and he had shot others the very most of those condemning him now would be lauding him as a hero.
No doubt that is a 2 way Street.
I think back to the Korean shop owners who armed and defended their shops in the LA riots in 1992. Sure, what they did was probably not legally the right thing to do. The police wouldn't have asked them to do it. But at the same time, they arguably saved their own livelihoods from being completely destroyed. It's OK to be intolerant of the intolerant. It's OK to try to defend innocent businesses against violent mobs.
That’s fine as far as it goes, but their perceptions, no matter how reasonably held they may be, have no bearing on the defendant’s actual (non-perceived) situation. His rights do not disappear because the local crowd came to an understandable, but not necessarily correct, conclusion.
Judge didn't allow it, said he wasn't excluding people from his courtroom. The judge did preside over only 1 black juror out of 12 after the defense objected to several others due to their race.
I know it is a thing but it is incredibly inappropriate in a court setting and you have no way to know if it will affect the trial (unless you feel like me that it is already sewn up from all the other shenanigans, in addition to the shambles of laws that allow biases to drive decisions)
No there would not ....
It doesn't make a difference what the skin colour was. If white people were protesting and rioting and looting night after night like that, then of course there would be people out wanting to protect innocent businesses from being destroyed.
Don't think he's actually ruled on it ,not going by reported transcript .
Though there was something interesting came up when apparently someone questioned what plundered meant and the definition was to look around but not steal ,
Plundered does not mean looking around and not stealing
Come on, how is what you posted not an excuse? Saying something is 'definitely' inappropriate and then going on to twist yourself in knots as to why it isn't in this very narrow situation for this judge is nearly the definition of making excuses.
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They chased him because he had just shot another unarmed protester.
Why do people keep leaving that out?
Never said any of those things in isolation give right to chase and attack anyone - however he had shot an unarmed man and was dressed in a manner that would lead people to genuinely believe he was a risk to shoot more people and was continuing to run around a street populated with potential victims.
Again, I believe he is going to get off for a similar reason that Zimmerman got off previously - the law is a mess and allows biases to drive jury decisions (especially when the judge gives things an extra nudge).
And how did the judge rule on that pastor objection, out of interest?
Recognizing veterans in person is a thing here and isn't going to affect the trial. It is also an officially recognized day by the State of Wisconsin, of which the judge is a official. (Trivia: Wisconsin was the last state to recognize veterans day, in 2018)
Looking forward to the salty tears and rage when Kyle is found not guilty. Judge keeping politics out of it and keeping nuetral.Prosecution are a disgrace violating Kyles constitutional rights.
I'm not making excuses, I'm explaining my opinion on the situation to you. You are welcome to disagree, but you may immediately stop telling me what I should say, think or type if you are intending to continue interacting with me.
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