You only use a car to get to work?
I jumped in this with a E-Niro for company, same situation as you have decided that I'll probably tag out in end of 2023 due to the BIK increase. It's still worth it for me as I need the car with seats now and not thinking beyond this timeframe at the moment.
Well I suppose you've still got 2 years BIK free, and presumably there'll be some advantage for having an EV after 2023, so it's worth factoring that into your calculations
So now that we know they are tapering the BIK benefit for EV buyers from 2023. Is there any financial advantage in getting a new EV in 2022 through my company rather than buying it myself?
I'm self-employed through a limited company with very small work-related mileage. Thanks in advance.
Plus the ID3 Tour has the biggest battery in the market outside of Tesla and costs around €40k.
Something doesn't add up there, you're saying you need to spend €60k to get an EV that covers your needs. That implies a car with over 400km of range
Yet you're saying you're able and happy to cycle to work, which implies a distance of under 20km. A gen1 Leaf or Zoe with a degraded battery would cover this without any problems and cost only around €5k
That's not exactly comparing like with like.
Pretty sure you've missed huge chunks in that calculation.
Are you comparing the price of two similarly specced new cars? If its the case that you normally don't buy new cars then you should be looking at used prices, their likely isnt one available for you today, but those new cars sold today end up being that lower cost used car you buy in a few years.
Certainly some of the time.
Do you plan to cycle to work for the next 20 years?😉
I've worked it out. The ev to work for me is c60k. It will take me near 20 years for the saving to reach the cost. Which it never will because I'll be dead before then
I'm 6 months in to EV owner ship and have only needed to use a public charger once .. covered 14,000km in that period.
think of all the time I've saved in garage forecourts and wasted money on coffee and snickers that I didn't want or need
I am not talking new, but say the ID4 when that car is worth 20 000 euro in 5 years maybe? what will its range be? I cannot see any car doing 400 km for 20 000 new.
Yaris I never drove one, thank god. I usually do 400 km once a month, does not bother me the slightest that it costs 30 euro or 3 euro, it only matters I have a productive day, I don't want to the same the next week because I had to spend an hour at a charger.
I don't know what type of cars you all drive but road noise engine noise never bothered me, as for breaks usually its in Dublin, a nice meal etc. last thing I want is a big mac at some service station. very rarely stop mid motor way.
My mum's annual electricity bill for her EV is less than the cost of a single tank of diesel 😁
If only they could look 2-3 years into the future, and see how much money they'd have saved since moving to EV between fuel costs and maintenance/tax....
I'll agree that EVs need to come down in price, but we're not going to see 400km from a budget EV in this decade. EVs for under €20k will have a battery size between 40-50kWh max. 400km means 10kWh/100km, not even a super sleek and efficient Tesla can manage that
Even a petrol Yaris would struggle to get 400km in the dead of winter, so by your own logic you're ruling out a lot of ICE cars
There's a philsophical difference between a budget car and a long distance car
Yes, you can take you Yaris or i20 and drive it from Dublin to Cork and back, probably on a single tank of petrol (although unless you've a petrol tap on your house, you'll need to stop to refuel). But you'll be uncomfortable, and the car will be noisy and inefficient because you're using it outside it's use case
Similarly you can do the same journey in a Leaf40 or Ioniq28 (both currently under €20k used) and you'll need to suffer the apparently massive indignity of charging a couple of times. Again, you're using those cars outside the use case they're really designed for, so it isn't ideal conditions
I'll wager you'll be less stressed after the EV journey though, without listening to a noisy petrol engine and being forced to take a break during the journey 😁
The result is the same, no EV for them.
I will not drive an EV if it cannot do what I want it to do.
eg. minimum range of 400 km(any time of the year) and price of 20000 euro. Plenty of cars with that range, what bothers me is than when they are around the 20000 euro what will the range be.
I'm not sure I want a random member of the public who was elected based on their ability to get dog poo removed from outside a voters house to be one the planning a citywide infrastructure deployment
It's not "cannot" it's "dont want to"
Well if 2 elderly people cannot manage an EV, is it suitable for everyone?
Claire Byrne last night
2 elderly Fair City actors in an Enyaq - why?
Very negative piece as usual.
Mark did his best (fair play) but the "I don't think it's for me right now" agenda was rolled out again.
Meh
Anna must have gotten a promotion
The esb door with charger socket does not exist, but easily could. The installation rules were changed earlier this year so the installer can connect charger direct to esb meter without going into house, and so mount charger right next to esb meter. Before cable needed to come from inside fuse board.
I know some people have hidden there charger inside a second dummy esb meter box to prevent passing people playing with it. It also looks neater when closed, however it requires the installation of a big box in the middle of the house wall. Better for new builds
This is just a ruse to pass the buck, delay and CYA. We see every governing authority in ireland do that from local councils to semi-state bodies to the top of the government. The politician does not have to take any decisions. Any actual work is pushed out by months or years. If things go wrong they get to blame the unelected consultant. And curiously the same people end up getting the contracts and benefitting. I am old enough to remember the numerous scandals where the preence of consultants did not stop any scandal only made them more expensive and gave the person whose job it was to make the decisions plausible deniability.
An eCars consultant?
I'd trust a consultant over any plans that involved Owen Keegan and cars
I think I read somewhere that by some bizarre coincidence the contract was awarded to ESB Ecars
We're doomed 😬
[quote]If while installing the smart meter they replaced the white door with one with an EV charger socket and hooked it straight into the esb meter with load sensing. [/quote]
@zg3409 would you have a link to that white meter box door with an EV charger socket? if I understand you right, something like that might suit me perfectly. Thanks.
”So let’s pay someone to tell us how and where we should install lots of chargers”
I wonder how much the contract was for?
and I wonder what relation of the guy who awarded the contract is to the guy that won the contract….
It'd be nice to see something being rolled out at scale instead of the handful of lampost chargers scattered around Dublin, and the ESB units that DCC seem to complain about all the time
A working was formed last year develop a strategy across the 4 Dublin Councils, they tendered out to develop a strategy
A tendering process has been completed and contract awarded to engage a third party to deliver an EV charging strategy for the Dublin Local Authorities. Next steps include completion of the strategy whilst also progressing funding applications and related opportunities.
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