just noticed a lot of these articles in the British media over the last few weeks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10118013/Nightclub-spiking-victims-ordeal-left-semi-paralysed-highlights-risks-women-facing.html
While i believe "spiking" does occasionally happen, I wonder how many of these stories are people who voluntarily ingested substances but do not recall ingesting them because they were intoxicated
Well you see, the bouncers probably didn't start throwing combinations in the middle of the dancefloor. As I said, I wasn't there. But a buddy of mine who wasn't drinking had marks and bruises all over his ribs for days after it. A very quiet fella. He said it was whatever way they grabbed him and dragged him out.
The group was quite a large group as it was a composite of other smaller groups that had coordinated and traveled over from Ireland. We all would have known each other to some extent. Yes the sober girls noticed the fellas were all gone. But at that stage they were trying to get the drunk ones rounded up and out in a group (as I mentioned earlier). And also, some like myself (and some of the girls) would have left earlier anyway.
I didn’t miss that part but it didn’t interest me. Bad for them, but if the girls stayed on on their own they clearly didn’t mind being separated.
God life is so unfair, I hope I can sleep now after this horrendous account you shared.
How do you know they were rowdy?
Where's your evidence to back this up?
I'm well aware of the way drinks can be poured , it's just your story sounds a bit different.
You left early, all the males were put out in the space of an hour or so, the girls stayed in this environment, did the sober girls not notice all the males being beaten and ejected ? It being a smallish type of spot and all that.
A group of rowdy, drunken men ejected from a sleepy quiet bar, well knock me down with a feather.
Dude. You are ignoring the other part of the account. The deliberate and systematic removal of ALL of the males from the group. Some of whom were not drinking. I wasn't drinking either but I was already gone back to the hotel at that stage.
Tell the other poster above that doesn't believe that anywhere would pour measures that might be more than a standard Irish optic.
RTE actually published an interesting article. That was recycled from the conversation.
Dr Lata Gautam is quite an accomplished forensic and criminological researcher and I have sat in a couple of symposiums that she participated in. Very interested to see what her new work throws up and if can shift the current academic paradigm. Of particular benefit in this research by Dr Gautam is her experience in forensic chemistry.
The article itself outlines some survey work that does raise questions. If the survey result can be reconciled with practical research? For the research to gain traction and be statistically relevant. It is of course important for those who suspect they have been spiked to seek help and to report at their earliest opportunity.
It will be interesting to see how that new research compares with previous and by now very likely outdated research exemplified by this from 2006. Abstract below and the link to the JSTOR is: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23639603
There is a stark contrast between heightened perceptions of risk associated with drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) and a lack of evidence that this is a widespread threat. Through surveys and interviews with university students in the United Kingdom and United States, we explore knowledge and beliefs about drink-spiking and the linked threat of sexual assault. University students in both locations are not only widely sensitized to the issue, but substantial segments claim first- or second-hand experience of particular incidents. We explore students' understanding of the DFSA threat in relationship to their attitudes concerning alcohol, binge-drinking, and responsibility for personal safety. We suggest that the drink-spiking narrative has a functional appeal in relation to the contemporary experience of young women's public drinking
Even someone as skeptical as me as to regards the extent of drug based assault finds the latter research very victim Blamey.
Drink is a lot cheaper in other countries.
I'd suggest in general that you avoid these cheapo places that water down their drink. It may be a false economy
Of course. Ever seen a drunk person refuse a drink because they had been served a stronger measure than they had paid for? No, me neither.
I understood your post the first time. There is no reason why the drunk ones wouldn’t have noticed the extra measures unless they were totally off their tits already. These are the types of idiots that wonder the next day what exactly happened to them the night before and then conjure up a version of events by which they were blameless.
I am not Irish and believe me: We spot you guys from afar because the drinking culture is a league of its own. No need to spike anyone if the drinks are accepted so graciously.
I’ve been all over the world. Plenty of place worldwide pour straight from the bottle with no measure. If you’re ordering drinks and don’t notice this, it’s on you. It’s not a coordinated worldwide conspiracy. I’ve seen it from Spain to US to Fiji to Australia. Leave a decent tip and they’ll generally give you a decent sup.
It is your responsibility to know what you are drinking, no one else’s. You seem to hang out with some wreckless, feckless people who don’t seem to know the meaning of personal responsibility.
No, I can't say that I have. Going by yours you weren't working in that bar anyways because the bouncers had dragged all the non-local fellas out by closing time.
Have you ever traveled abroad? Ever been up to Dublin even? Or maybe even your county town? It is good to travel
I've heard of pubs and barmen selling watered down drinks but never selling double shots or more as ordinary measures, how do these pubs make profits ?
Perhaps you also have lived an innocent existence up to this. That is good for you in some ways and not so good in others.
Donald Trump, did you ever think of changing your name to Greta Thunburg?
You’re some man for an anecdote. If I said I saw that happen in Tenerife I’d say you’d have seen it in Elevenerife. Spoofer.
If you re-read my post you will see that it says that it was some of the non-drinking girls who realised what was going on. Not the ones who were (unknowingly) drinking more than they thought.
If you are drinking pints of Carlsberg then you have a fair idea of what you are consuming. If you are drinking vodkas and coke or similar then you are depending on the measures being accurate in order to have an idea. And also the strength of the spirits being mixed in
Yes, I am known for my innocence.
You misunderstood me though. If someone willingly gulps down copious amounts of alcohol they can only blame themselves for the misfortune that befalls them. The drinks were poured in front of them so the alcohol content was no surprise. If they were too drunk to care …well I guess that’s bad luck, but not spiking.
You may have quite an innocent view of the world if you don't believe that these kinds of things happen.
I'd love to know how those who deny everything could live a fulfilling life considering nothing ever happens.
Yes, an innocent enough comment that you had to immediately turn into another spiking drama. You really seem to be surrounded by victims that attract all kinds of malevolent predators.
What are you on about? I was replying to a fella who said that he used to give an extra shot or a larger measure to people to be sound. Could you not make the connection between his post and mine? To make it a little easier to join the dots, you can notice which post I was quoting when I wrote it.
No, not necessarily. Sounds like you were abroad where alcoholic measures can be handed out quite differently because alcohol is cheaper.
You said it was done in plain sight, so the poor drunk girls could have noticed this too had they paid attention. This is just a case of irresponsible drinking by people who later on could not accept accountability for their own actions. Are you seriously trying to compare this ridiculous story with the experiences other posters on this thread shared?
Giving someone more drink than they expect is a form of spiking.
And yes, I do have friends. Many different, otherwise unrelated, groups in fact. It's not that unusual in real life.
You seem to be placing a lot of trust in your friends, many of which seem to end up in not so favourable situations.
Nothing in your story suggests spiking. If others noticed the generous amounts dished out it was not done covertly. Sorry, but if people are happy to drink their double/ triple measures then they also have to deal with the consequences.
Your story reminds me of an occasion I was abroad years ago as part of a fairly large group of 18-25 year olds. There was not a lot of options so we all ended up in one small place which had music and a bit of a dance floor. There were some random locals there but it would have been fairly empty had we not been there. I left reasonably early enough in the night. When I got up the next morning I heard that after I had left, other lads in the group, harmless and quiet lads, had been given digs for no reason and dragged out by the bouncers. Others had been just put out without being injured. But every single fella in the group was ejected over the course of the last hour. The girls who were drinking got very drunk but there were some non-drinkers who realised that the barmen were giving the other girls double shots (or more) every time and the non-drinkers made sure to gather them up and get them all out in a group at the end of the night. The barman weren't filling the shots out of measures or optics - straight out of the bottle into a glass.
Nothing came of it luckily enough but that was the MO of the place - a coordinated ejection the fellas to leave the drunk girls there for the locals.
And no, before ye ask, I don't have any toxicology reports or police reports for the night in question
Ok, well I was asking the other poster what actual drugs were found in his “friends” system.
Anyone can google sedatives. It’s not a state secret ffs. A pharmacist gave us a list of ones that could be injected earlier in the thread, but gave the caveat that it would be very noticeable.
I’m talking really in general terms about naming amnesiac drugs for sedation/anaesthesia and why somebody might not want to name any particular ones.
It’s indeed very true that someone (especially a young person) suddenly launching into a quick series of high alcohol shots may think from lack of experience that their reaction is highly unusual/disabling. But most sudden alcoholic poisoning beyond usual tolerance causes profound nausea and highly unpleasant spinning room effect and is recognised as extreme drunkenness (indeed dangerous as vomit can be inhaled). If this is very first time reaching this state beyond “pleasant inebriation” it could be interpreted as spiking, and more likely in pretty young drinkers. Later on over-indulgence is realised and immediately regretted.
Could it be a case that a lot of people are out drinking to late bars and clubs since the lockdowns have ended and have forgotten what their tolerance for alcohol is like. Don't think that many would have been slugging double vodkas and red bulls when the pubs were only open until 11.
Many years ago I worked behind a bar where we would sometimes give people an extra shot or a generous shot, nothing pervy or premeditated in it, just trying to be sound.
Alot of these spiking victims are young girls. Those who are 18 to 21 have little to no nightlife experience over the covid which is another reason they may be getting oblivorated or 'spiked'
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