Starting to sound like art. 16 is imminent. We'll be in for a rough ride but I'm interested to see where it all goes.
We obviously don't agree with it. It's nonsense. Seriously, you need to be told this?
The question is why you think it's worth putting to us for comment, and who said it may cast some light on that.
Australia manage fine with 2 timezones at the same latitude in 1 country for 6 months of the year. This argument against stopping DST because of NI holds no water.
Australia's a continent. East to west it has three time zones all year round, and daylight saving-timed is practise in southern parts of the country but not in the north. But there are solid justifications for all this; the brute facts of geography outweigh the inconvenience of having different clock times in different parts of the country.
None of this is true for Ireland. There are no geographical considerations at all which would warrant different time zones in an island this size. Different time zones between Britain and Ireland, possibly - for most of the history of the union (1800-1916) they had different times, though I think it would be hard to justify now. But different time zones within Ireland or within Great Britain would be impossible to justify; they would make no sense at all.
Id be in favour of getting rid of DST and staying on summer time but if you live north of the border and work south if it, two different time zones would be hell.
Australia is a continent so not comparable imo.
I’d be more worried about the clocks going back to the early 1970s in Northern Ireland if Boris continues the way he is going.
Being offset by an hour for half the year would certainly be an inconvenience (and I can't see much of a benefit to doing so), but hell is a bit of an exaggeration!
Many of us work with/across multiple timezones already. There are plenty of productivity tools in place to even take the thinking factor out of it.
That all being said, that inconvenience comes with way too little benefit to justify not staying in lockstep with NI.....given the rioting and bus being burnt out regarding the NI Protocol (largely by people who don't understand said protocol but just view it as an attack on their perceived Britishness), the decision to drop DST almost certainly won't happen without Britain making the same decision across the board.
All this Irish/UK timezone stuff...🤔I'd actually thought downcow might have alluding to the noises at EU level about ending Daylight Saving time (or is it ending Summer time, don't recall which without googling details...) + the clock changes. It often comes up for discussion at this time of year.
I think the Irish govt. is opposed to that at the moment, presumably because of NI, and fact there doesn't seem to be any moves afoot in UK (as far as I'm aware?) to get rid of it.
Commuting is hell in general. That's my opinion anyway. If a 20 minute commute is now an 80 minute commute that's hell for the impacted person.
I interpreted it as attempted sneering at RoI for it's 'subservience' to the UK.
Outside of border areas, the effects would be negligible, given the level of North/South interaction.
.....what?!
Your twenty minute commute still takes twenty minutes even if the timezone of your destination is different. You're changing your clock, not the space-time continuum.
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EDIT: Not worth responding to such low grade bait.
Regarding 'different time zones within (the island of) Ireland would be impossible to justify, they would make no sense'.
Even if one agrees that it's not a fundamentally sensible idea, does it actually cause any real issues. i.e., would it not be accurate to say that opposing two time zones just for the sake of opposing two time zones also makes no sense? It strikes me as something which would be a bit of an inconvenience for about a week and then everyone would be used to it.
It doesn't seem to me to be any more disruptive than having two currencies, two legal systems, two different sets of road signs, two measurement systems - all of which we cope with relatively seamlessly.
DC in several threads you have made a point of pretending not to know how politics work in Ireland or even who senior politicians are (Micheál Martin, Michael D Higgins) only to have been caught out in all of these when presented with previous posts to the contrary.
So with this in mind do you seriously expect us to take your analysis of life in Ireland seriously or even dignify it with an answer? So many posters wasted time with you insisting that you were feigning ignorance by not knowing senior Irish politicians only for you to be caught out later.
Go on a big construction site in Dublin atm and look at the amount of Northern regs.
The flip of that argument is that the UK can't be as less EUish as they want to because of Dublin. Because we chose to stay within the EU the UK gets an internal border.
Spain and Portugal are in different timezones. I imagine they have plenty of people who cross the border for work.
A change in timezone won't affect them anymore than having two currencies, two different car reg regimes, or two different anything else.
The attempts to hang on to the same timezone because of something something Northern Ireland strike me as being very strange. There are clear benefits to public health in having more light in the evening when most people would get some exercise which more than balance out any discomfort at having a different timezone to the North.
Correct, which is why I am in favour of us changing the timezone for the good reasons it is needed and ignoring any symbolic issues to do with the North.
The point is well-made. East-West issues regarding the timezone have a bigger practical effect than any North-South issues.
You know what I meant.
No the practical effect would be from the amount of people who cross the timezone or work and live in the different timezone. More people travel north south than east west. A time zone between Ireland and Britain would be more practical than one within Ireland
Does anyone commute east west daily? A construction worker would have to leave an hour earlier if the south gets rid of the hour change while the North keeps it. Most sites start at 7.30am and there is the commute time too.
Let's face it Blanch your motive is to try and split Ireland more here as you are a very sectarian person.
I genuinely don't; I mean I get that your clock changes by 80 minutes, but I can't get my head around how you would process that as the commute taking 80 minutes.
And even if you did, following the same rationale, your commute home would be taking minus forty minutes; end result is you've commuted forty minutes total for the day either way. You're starting and finishing an hour early/late relative to your local time zone, depending on the direction of travel. Hardly, 'hell'.
The point is an obvious baiting attempt.
You didn't say E/W had a bigger practical effect, you said N/S issues were negligible outside of the border counties. You've moved the goalposts onto a different pitch, Blanch.
So no, your point wasn't well made, even if I believed for a second it wasn't intentional. It fits altogether too conveniently into your constant attempts to other NI. You'd have us switch to bloody Pacific Time if you could hold it up as a difference with NI.
If I've to get up an hour earlier to be in work for the same time thats an added hour to my commute.
Seriously?
Much of NI, and a signficant part of the Republic, would be classed as a "frontier zone" in international terms. NI/RoI interaction is large - there are far movemeents across the RoI/NI border than there are across the NI/GB border - and, unsurprisingly, growing rapidly since Brexit.
No, child, it really isn't. The time for any journey depends on distance and speed. Getting up an hour earlier won't make your work further away, and it won't make you travel more slowly. This already happens every years when the clocks change, remember.
If I usually get up at 8am to be in work for 9am and now have to get up at 7am to be in work for 9am. It has indeed added an hour to my morning commute.
