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Traffic Congestion.

[Deleted User]

Is it me or has traffic really got worse since even before covid ?

The amount of crashes on the N7 is unreal, what are they going to do about people using their phones ? this is probably worse than Drink driving, this is a lot of road missed by the time they fumble around with the phone.

I wonder who's working from home and if they have the chance why would they sit in all that traffic clogging roads for those who need to use them ?

I think it's really time Ireland introduce flexible hrs by law and not leave it to the discretion of the company in many instances it shouldn't matter what time you start/finish as long as the work is done, sure there certain times this isn't possible but it's possible for a lot of People.

The N7.M50 mostly isn't fit for purpose, the slip roads are too many and too short, why can't we have proper multi story over passes like they can in other countries ? look at long mile road junction for instance, a complete and utter joke.

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[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115579#Comment_118115579

Possibly because we've allowed ourselves to live in a car-centric society where the needs of others have been ignored for decades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115717#Comment_118115717

That wouldn't be true either - students, stay at home parents doing the school run, grannies and grandads doing childcare, there would be lots of others on the road.

But the main point is the confusion between the needs of motorists and the needs of workers - they're not the same thing.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115555#Comment_118115555

I said all commuter drivers are workers.

Nothing else.....

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115459#Comment_118115459

I wonder why no companies implement those charges?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115514#Comment_118115514

You know that people commute without using a car, right? Bus, train, tram, cycling, walking, running...

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115460#Comment_118115460

Or equate commuter belt commuters as workers. Or are they commuting to mass daily??

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113738#Comment_118113738

It's always funny when people equate 'workers' with 'motorists'.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113584#Comment_118113584

Sure, yeah, that makes sense, and some for the lunchtime joggers and the girlies-going-out-on-the town users of the changing facilities. An hourly charge for the showers and the car parking would be a good idea.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113575#Comment_118113575

Sure lash BIK onto the commuter belt workers, very Green Party

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113563#Comment_118113563

Should cyclists have to pay for shower facilities in their workplace, instead of expecting their non-cycling colleagues to share the cost?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112286#Comment_118112286

You pay for fuel. You pay for tolls. You pay for car insurance. Are they all ridiculously charging you for the pleasure of doing your job? Why would parking space be any different?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112144#Comment_118112144

Yes, I'd expect a much lower cost of parking in the supermarket in Ballaghadereen than in the IFSC.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111889#Comment_118111889

If an office building is owned by the company, can I just move in and install my sauna and jacuzzi into one of their rooms, because if the building is owned by the company, it costs nothing for me to use it, right?

All land cost money at one stage. Parking spaces cost money to buy, to maintain, to protect and secure. Why shouldn't drivers pay the cost instead of expecting their non-driving colleagues to share the cost?

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111868#Comment_118111868

There are people out there with a very definitive idea of "Work"

Some of us have a very blended work life.

This week I'll WFH all week.

Last week I had to go to the office twice and 2 days on construction sites.

Next week I've to go to Cork and probably 2 other construction sites.

My previous role similar. WFH 40% Site 40% Office 20%

My role will always involve a car.

I cycle a lot. Cycle to the kids school.

I walk a lot. Walk to the shops.

I get the bus a lot. Bus to the office if going to be there all day. Bus to town.

But it would be frankly ridiculous to start charging me BIK for the pleasure of doing my job.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111444#Comment_118111444

i meant where parking in general won't cost the employee money.

being given a car parking space when you work in a supermarket in ballaghadereen is different to being given a car parking space if you work in the IFSC.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109866#Comment_118109866

Not if the land is owned by the company. Costs nothing for Employees to use it.

So if you're to pay for parking then you should also pay for your office space or to leave your bicycle on site. Where does this end ? lol

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111444#Comment_118111444

Part of the package in the lease I'm sure.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109253#Comment_118109253

Because the company want me to travel between sites to fix their equipment and install stuff that provides essential services to you and most people on this site who use the internet every day and which allow people to work from home, so should I pay for parking on both sites that they don't even own ?

Paid parking is just a mad idea, or perhaps they could charge people who travel 5 kms away and less.

I've heard some mad ideas in my time but that's really mad, paid parking for work, lol.

I drive EV and have mostly free work charging.

El Tarangu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109555#Comment_118109555

Of course it costs money; I doubt that the company's landlord is giving them hundreds of cubic metres of serviced building space for free.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109555#Comment_118109555

All parking costs money. The only question is whether that money is paid by everybody or paid by those that enjoy use of the parking.

magicbastarder

the notion of paying BIK on a parking space doesn't make sense if it's in an area where there's parking which doesn't cost money.

i.e. it only makes sense where it's essentially a gift to the employee.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118105694#Comment_118105694

You pay for fuel when you travel. You pay for insurance and wear and tear on your vehicle. Why would you expect free storage space?

[Deleted User]

Ban the cyclists while we're at it due to the level of brake and rubber particles produced.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118102728#Comment_118102728

You're the one being dramatic if you think paying for work parking is a good thing when there are no alternatives. It's just another senseless tax on working People.

Besides, all my company has to do is put me down as working from home, we don't own the sites where I work so charging me tax on a parking space would not work and for many People like me who travel between sites to keep essential services running.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118101420#Comment_118101420

Or you could just pay for your parking, like you do elsewhere, and not be so dramatic?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118102563#Comment_118102563

We need tyres to keep us on the road lol. Nothing else available at the moment to replace that.

I'm not going to leave my car at home because it might me causing some particle emissions that I can't control because I need to work to live, I could of course choose to go on the dole and have a lot more time for my 2 Children. Then I can cycle where I want when I want. One job I can't get fired from lol.

magicbastarder

Bicycles must "emit" rubber particles too in any case, they have tyres that wear out in the same manner as car tyres do.

they do. but from a quick google, the total weight of disc brake pads on a bike seems to be under 100g, and on a car, about 3KG.

the tyres on my car weigh about 30KG (new). on my bike, 500g. granted, they're skinny road bike tyres, but even doubling that weight you're again looking at a difference of about 30x.

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118101466#Comment_118101466

I agree with Mad_Lad here as electric vehicles are generally less polluting than their ICE powered counterparts (and I am not going to be getting into the whole debate of manufacturing emissions malarkey). Bicycles must "emit" rubber particles too in any case, they have tyres that wear out in the same manner as car tyres do. Same with their brakes, which are mostly rubber with the exception of the newer disk type brake systems. I am all for accuracy of language when formulating an argument online however, sometimes it borders on pedantry in this forum!

For parking; if an employer sets up shop in somewhere like a business park or industrial estate outside of the city, of course the employees are going to need parking. To say otherwise is simply denying reality! While there may be 1 or 2 busses that will go to that business park, they usually come from "Insert City" centre so someone would have to get there in the first place to be able to catch the bus.... This is simply not practical for someone coming from outside of the city. There are many, like Mad_Lad, who have to commute, as any other option just does not make sense (either time or expense wise, or both). I have worked in countries where the public transport systems are leaps and bounds ahead of our own, yet there is still a need for parking wherever businesses setup. Even in the Netherlands, which has a huge proportion of cyclists, there are still large companies with huge car parks simply because there is no alternative for their employees. Personally, I would rather sit in traffic for an hour, than to trudge and get a bus into a city centre and another one out to get to my destination. As for the expense of having a vehicle over that of using public transport? The vehicle can take me where I want, when I want... not just to work.

Until the public transport system in this country (not just in Dublin) is planned in a more cohesive way, then these congestion issues will continue well into the future.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118091832#Comment_118091832

You're just posting anything to go against car ownership. Compared to ICE any emitted particles from an EV are significantly less than Petrol or Diesel cars. Can't be nothing, breakes are kind of an essential thing to have on a car but again, electric car regen significantly reduces brake particles.

Paying for parking at the airport is there to stop People using the Airport for parking for non Related business.

Council parking exists to keep valuable spaces available and to generate revenue.

If my work place wants me to go to site, I need parking it's essential, it's not a luxury it's a necessity.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118091126#Comment_118091126

If I had nowhere to park I would be, like many out of a job. This is also not rocket science.

What is puzzling is why so many People are not working from home when they could be ? why do we have no flexible working laws in Ireland ? this is really mad.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118091976#Comment_118091976

Not sure what they cost. A penny or a farthing.