The Sinn Fein party is not as pro-choice as it pretends.
SF doing what SF most likes to do: abstaining when there is any responsibility to be taken for difficult decisions.
Gone very quiet around here. Shinner posters trying to figure how any positive spin could be put on this piece of shameless hypocrisy?
Louise O'Reilly had a go at explaining SF vote (or lack thereof).
https://www.independent.ie/news/sinn-fein-will-not-pander-to-the-dup-on-abortion-vote-in-north-td-says-40993123.html
No, I can't understand her point either.
Abstaining on that vote is so pathetically cowardly. Have the courage of your bloody convictions.
I'd be less offended by it if they'd allowed a free vote and some of their MLAs actually voted in favour of the Bill than that absolute cop out.
shes dirt
https://mobile.twitter.com/1rorycowan/status/1454419594903531525?t=oNNSFqUh1nx3HhLVkALAjQ&s=08
Good call rd, those of us who Know, Know full well that the populist game eventually runs out of rope.
no, it's that they want to aline with ireland rather then britain.
SF are the most pro-choice party in ireland, some would say the only real one and they still remain such regardless of their abstention.
.....one doesn't really demonstrate one's pro-choice credentials very well by abstaining rather than voting against a pro-life bill.
it will depend on the individual as to whether they believe that to be the case or not but realistically it could actually very much show their pro-choice credentials.
i have no doubt they have good reason for abstaining anyway.
Therefore they are not the most pro choice party in Ireland, let alone in NI.
It's clear that SF has 3 sets of supporters and one of those set are from NI and have deep-rooted Catholic beliefs who are very pro life.
Lots and lots of SF supporters spent a lot of political capital being against the Special Criminal Court. I guess they will have to support another party now that SF has finally accepted its need.
Beware of Sf PR about the Special Criminal Court. Reading between the lines I would say Sf will support the court when the law is after certain people and will refuse to support the court when it's after certain other people. This is a slippery slope to what Russia and China do on daily basis... {political law enforcement is not law enforcement at all} We need to be very mindfully of what the SF rule makers are up to there.
By "accepting it's need", I'm seeing less and less reasons to not finally give them a vote next time out. And for clarity, I'm originally a South Armagh man, who didn't vote them when I still lived at home, and have been voting labour, independent and social democrats while living here (South county Dublin)
A lot of SF critics will probably view this as a curve ball now, how many tweets have the FG Twitter account pumped out now about the SCC and Sinn Fein (and repeated ad nauseam by loyal followers like "Cllr McManus" and Neale Richmond) then again, look at Nigel above for example.... Doesn't know which way the wind is blowing lol.
We have to give credit to Sinn Fein for making a complete u-turn on the issue. Fair play to their leadership for delivering this change. I wonder if those on here who strongly defended their previous stance will be along to criticise them for their change in approach, or will they follow the new party line?
The only thing about it is that Sinn Fein now even more resemble Haughey's Fianna Fail, where the pursuit of power at the expense of principle trumped everything.
going on their campaigning during the 8th referendum, i have no doubt personally that they are the most pro-choice party in ireland.
there are pro-life non-religious, pro-life catholics, pro-choice people and all sorts of people who support sf, and that is the beauty of the party, it reaches out across all views and all beliefs and individuals, and that is why their base is growing and is going to grow hugely.
no, we can just lobby for the party to change it's mind.
no doubt that is what will be done if there is enough support, which i should think, or at least hope there is .
so i won't be voting for ffg or other similar parties, sf is the one for me regardless of my disagreement with them on the odd issue.
complete nonsense.
sf have simply changed their minds, i disagree with the party but that is something they are entitled to do.
there is no conspiracy here.
Absolute trash talk. The most pro choice party is the SDs, they were visible everywhere during the referendum and their numbers increased dramatically after it.
As for the unity of SF, the things that tie SF supporters together are 1) a hatred of FF and FG and 2) a hatred of a divided ireland/uk rule.
General theme there though.
FF/FG merging to become FFG solely to prevent SF being in govt will do wonders for that "hatred" to recede lol. As for the divided UK/Ireland rule, that's coming to an end in the near future, be rest assured of that one. Even the lambeg drum beating unionists must be disillusioned with how they're being shafted tanks to Brexit. 😂
I don't know...
The Sinn Féin U Turn on the Special Criminal court removes a major obstacle to a SFFF government next time
Do you think they'll completely sell out the country and go in to coalition with Fianna Fail?
IMO the average Irish voter will stick with FF/FG unless they go into coalition and behave like FF/FG. That's why SF have seen a rise in support. It's not hate, it's disappointment and lack of viable options.
It's not SF harping on about the troubles every election 😎
Was that the "major obstacle" to a FF/SF coalition last time too?
SF will hoover up more of the undecideds now on the back of it. Looks like their opponents will have to find a new angle to go at them now, I would have suggested the troubles, but that's been flogged to death already.
With all this Shinner flip-flopping, it's going to be very difficult for their supporters to trot out that Enda Kenny quote about property tax from nearly thirty years ago.
Every cloud...
Politicians can change their mind on policy.
It's that simple.
Still no sign of any criticism for the Sinn Fein u-turn on the SCC.
Quelle surprise, it has all gone quiet. Where are all those who were standing with Amnesty against the SCC? The party drum has stopped being beaten.
Give it time and FF and FG will be criticising it blanch, for taking the wind out of their sails, (one less thing to attack them over) and they'll lose further support to them with members of the undecided electorate (people like myself)
You should be happy about their stance having changed I would have thought, no? Or are you happier pointing out a "U-turn" just to have something to complain about?
Young people affected by the housing crisis most likely won't give a dam anyway, that change is most likely to please and target the older demographic, people disenchanted with FF and FG and looking for a new mainstream party to lend their vote to.
Next polling data will be interesting assuming it takes this into consideration.
I am happy about the stance being changed.
I am just astonished at the absence of criticism of the u-turn from those who were so strong against the SCC.
Exactly whom are you referring to that were so strong against the SCCb to begin with can I ask?
Most likely waiting for the diktat to come through from the backroom of a flat-roofer somewhere off the Falls.
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