Lord Frost is a "goodie" (HM govt. official). "Dublin" and the EU are definitely "baddies" in this neverending story.
Black and White Hats. I think that is the level (cartoons and comics) the DUP is at politically.
Where did Downcow's British Isles post go?
I'd presume (rightly) removed by the mods for being absolute nonsense, along with my post (yes, I should've known better) responding to it.
Ah, shame I missed your response 😆
i didn’t see your response but maybe you misunderstood it. I was simply reminding some posters that ROI is so integrated into these islands, of which the Uk is more than 90% of the population and therefore makes many decisions and laws which operate on them which ROI quietly follow as opposed to following their EU friends.
just a simple fact often missed, that there already is a border between Ireland and France that people like to pretend doesn’t exist. Tbh we have 3 borders now (and always have had). Irish Sea, English Channel and Irish land border. Only one of these is an international border recognised by the UN etc. It is of course, thanks to the Belfast agreement, will remain until such times as the people of OWC decide otherwise.
I have said this before, but I can’t think of any people in the world who have an international agreement that guarantees their self determination other than the people of OWC. Unless of course you guys know different.
Pourquoi parles-tu d'un roi ? L'Irlande n'a pas de roi.
There's a British border in Ireland the vast majority of people here don't want. That problem is never going away, ever.
No we are finally in agreement. Pity it took a 30 year murderous campaign and 20 years of the Belfast agreement to bring people to this place.
….but I would say ‘never say never’. We don’t know what future generations will do and they may decide to try new ideas like uniting this island or try old stuff over again like roi re-joining the Uk. Who knows? Who would have thought there’d be a pandemic like COVID?
You agree the vast majority want rid of it. That's a start anyway.
So unionism is not about retreat into the Wee Six but about outreach and ambition, participating in the new expansive United Kingdom forging worldwide alliances. In the new emerging order, the nationalism of small western nations is a shackle that the Republic of Ireland itself proclaims in its enthusiastic submission to the EU. That submission and the campaign to annex Northern Ireland are utterly incompatible.
Amongst the important issues our contributors explore in some detail are the importance of east-west relationships; the implications of Brexit for Anglo-Irish relations; the Scottish dimension of the GB-NI Union; unionists’ perceptions of British betrayal; the facts behind allegations of unionist discrimination in housing between 1921 and 1973; republican attempts to rewrite the history of the Troubles during the scandal of legacy and twentieth-century Irish history generally; the case for ditching the EU protocol; a comparison between living standards north and south; and the way forward for unionism at Stormont.
Interesting to read another perspective on Northern Ireland's place in the UK. We tend to forget how much the Union means to some people in the North.
I understood perfectly fine, Downcow.
Your butter doesn't melt routine won't fly with me. You know exactly what you were at.
That gave me a good laugh 😃
Why would 'unionists' sing the praises of a book that others them?
unionists’ perceptions of British betrayal;
I thought unionists claimed they were 'British'? Freudian slip?
Looks like a very interesting read. I will have a look even though I am not a reader
You tie yourself in knots to try and find some tiny little win.
I don’t see any slip. I think a few republican neighbours of mine would be warm to a study of
northern Republicans’ perceptions of Irish betrayal;
….and I can understand why they would and wouldn’t be needing to tell them they weren’t Irish because they made that statement
Read the link there for that. Quite stunning tunnel vision there, talking about partition saving people from the over reaches of the Catholic church in the republic, while not seeing the Protestant/Unionist refusal to enact abortion legislation, gay rights etc in "modern" day Northern Ireland.
I told you exactly what I was at
Firstly I am assuming Tom was referring to the island. Also where did I say the vast majority wanted rid of it - that would be rediculous.
I don’t want to wear masks but that doesn’t mean I want rid of them.
stop twisting everyone’s post who you disagree with.
downcow, nobody here has written the words:
now, if you don't mind, I asked the person who made the post, why they would 'other' unionism' the way they did.
I see the shinners and the SDLP have took cold feet around abortion. They should really have the courage of their convictions - if they….
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1451226627677949957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1451226627677949957%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058154947%2Fthe-wondrous-adventures-of-sinn-fein-part-3-mod-notes-and-threadbanned-list-in-op%2Fp337
Francie if you only want the person who wrote the post to comment, then you best ‘direct message’ him, you’ll find the wee button up on the right I think. That’s the way it works.
Unless of course I took the wind from your sail 😂
No, you invented somebody saying something to have a pop and didn't address the point I made, why would somebody 'other' Unionism unless they felt they weren't really British to begin with?
Now you can invent as many phrases as you wish to counter that, but they would be inventions and deflections
You are correct. I could give you endless examples but I will not.
simply
any group within a jurisdiction can challenge the perceived betrayal of the government without it diminishing their nationality.
But the phrase doesn't say 'British Government' it says 'British betrayal'. Unionists claim to be British.
Surely all those are international borders. The Irish Sea is between ireland and uk. The English Channel is between UK and France. And the Irish land border is between ireland and the UK.
Fair point. I was thinking NI when I was saying Irish Sea and I was thinking roi when I was saying English Channel. But yes you are correct. My point is that that the only international border NI has is the one between ni and Ireland
No you are just being silly. I am almost embarrassed for you.
'No'?
Saying 'Unionists claim to be British' is silly? OK.
Obviously, in your world.
Any normal person talking about betrayal would have said 'Unionists felt betrayed by the 'government' and we would have known what they meant, would they not? They 'othered' Unionists.
