just noticed a lot of these articles in the British media over the last few weeks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10118013/Nightclub-spiking-victims-ordeal-left-semi-paralysed-highlights-risks-women-facing.html
While i believe "spiking" does occasionally happen, I wonder how many of these stories are people who voluntarily ingested substances but do not recall ingesting them because they were intoxicated
In addition to Faugheen's report from the mirror. Not the same story, or even country but a report of a spiking related tape from the UK.
That is unfortunately buried under the news of the UK budget, Harry and Meghan and **** flowing freely into rivers.
I added a link to the MEN as I am loath to use the Daily Mail for anything resembling fact.
Point in case, the Daily Mail reports that the accused is charged with
'following a woman around a nightclub and spiking her drink before raping her in the street'
But the charge laid is rape of woman over the age of 16. He may have slipped an intoxicant to victim, from the stories it certainly is heavily alluded to. Was it a narcotic or was he adding alcohol?🤷♂️ I don't know.
The circumstances certainly point to the victim being rapidly overcome with loss of control which he allegedly took full advantage of.
Yet the charge lain, excludes any of the OAP 1861 charges available? Incidents such as this, highlight for me at least the need to impose a duty of care on venues regarding customer safety and their ejection if intoxicated. A woman, a man, anyone should never be left leave a venue alone if there is a concern as to their safety. Cut off drinkers if they are too intoxicated and ensure that door staff are better trained to recognise the risks that led to this poor woman's attack.
**Edited:** changed "of" to "have" to tidy up a sentence and not appear to be totally illiterate 😉😂
Tbh I had the same thought as the poster. This is not what what had been claimed in the Twitter trail, but maybe that's the reason why she (had to) remove it since it might be impacting the investigation.
I do not care whether or not she was spiked. What bothers me is that someone decides to broadcast something via social media without any evidence, and that anyone who asks for evidence is shot down and branded a chauvinist.
This sort of antagonism does not help anyone.
What evidence do you want? Her medical records?
Her medical records are none of your business.
She has told a story, which is backed up by a Garda investigation into a report she made with evidence that she has clearly been stabbed by a needle. Why would she say anything so public other than to warn people about it.
She provided a lot more evidence than those trying to shut her down by demanding her medical records and that she name the place it happened in.
And don't tell me nobody was trying to shut her down. They were. It's standard Twitter (and boards) discourse if a woman tries to say anything because some men's feelings might get hurt.
Just look at some of the responses to Cait's post about her experience. "Why didn't you go to police?" "You should have gone to police." etc etc etc.
Some people need to get their heads out of the sand.
Was the report from the weekend?
Don't see it in that article but 98FM are reporting that it is from Sunday.
Fair enough. Be interesting to know when the incident was first reported, as both articles are from today and the gript one from yesterday. I'm glad she had the courage to report it anyhow.
Well, no. At this stage nothing is backed up by anything. You have a deleted Twitter thread, two conflicting “news” sources of questionable character, and a lot of speculation. Nothing is linked up. Which is exactly the problem for this topic, because it’s always one word against the other.
Look, I have done countless unsavoury things over the years, and I am certainly not going to dismiss that this happens. But I find it really annoying when people make claims online that contain partial information, and thereby cause people to fill in the gaps and turn it into a hysteria. Post the whole story or don’t post at all.
And please don’t try to turn this into a gender debate, as some male posters on this thread mentioned that they were spiked, too. Their views are obviously of equal importance.
Strange way to spell: "Sorry lads, I got it completely wrong. I take back all those nasty things I said about yez. "
Everything is linked up.
I gave you two sources covering the same story that a report was filed about a woman who reported that she was spiked after waking up with a needle mark and bruising after a night out and then going to get medical treatment. There is every chance she doesn't remember everything of the night but her friends do and thus gave statements about her being disorientated, which is implied in the statement from Gardai.
Here is a THIRD source.
This one mentions the conflicting statements Gardai gave yesterday and today, which shows @AndrewJRenko was correct in that the Garda press office doesn't always have the information to hand straight away.
All of this ties up with what she said on Twitter, but people here are STILL looking for any possible hole in her story in an attempt to discredit her.
Yes many men have been spiked, but I haven't seen attempts to discredit them anywhere near like what's going on here. That's the problem.
This is actually a good article that does tie up a few things, so thank you.
It states that the claim is being investigated (which is good), that it had been previously confirmed that no report had been made (validating the grift article), and that the event was “now” being looked at. Doesn’t that just tell anyone how unreliable news and social medial coverage/ posting really is?
I insist: trying to turn this into a gender war helps nobody and just causes endless aggravation.
She said on Twitter when asked by another girl did she notice anything strange, "no straight unconscious". The girl on Twitter's story doesn't tally with the news stories whatsoever.
What nasty things did I say about anyone? You attacked the Gardai and Gript. This incident happened on Sunday so may not have been reported till Tuesday, meaning neither Gript nor the Gardia lied/didn't do their job. So no apologies needed.
'Garda headquarters initially said on Tuesday it “is not in a position to verify the contents of the highlighted social media activity at this time” and that it “has not recorded any incidents of this nature at this time”'.
Thus, Andrew was wrong in suggesting that Gript lied. Secondly, we don't know when the incident was reported to Gardai. It may not have been reported at the time the Gardai were initially contacted.
Andrew said the Garda press office don’t always have the information to hand immediately, which is the case here.
He also said Grift are not a trusted source, which they are not. He was clearly right to be skeptical.
Have they put up an update yet correcting the facts of the case now that they are aware of them? They were happy to push it far and wide when the narrative suited their hateful and fearmongering agenda. A quick look at their website says no, they haven’t. Why is that, do you think?
You do realise you can completely blackout from this, yes?
You’re clutching at every straw possible, here. Give it a rest. It’s not a good look trying to find every reason to discredit her when other people in this thread who were doing the same thing have held their hands up and admitted the reports add up.
She could show you her medical records and you’d still look for a straw to clutch. Sad.
We don't know when the report was made, so you cannot assert what you have about the GPO. Gript having a hateful and fearmongering agenda; that is your opinion, stated as fact. Many would disagree. It is very common now for people to attempt to lazily discredit any media with a political slant that is not towards the way they lean.
Lastly, I'm not sure. You should email them and ask if you would like to know.
make sure to check you have the right address though, you'd want to double check the spelling
My favourite part of this post is that you think you’re being really clever here but you fail to realise that me calling it ‘Grift’ is very much intentional, because it’s the perfect description of that sh*stain of a website.
I do "realise this".
However newspaper girl stated that she didn't feel herself, her friends brought her home, she went to bed, and woke up the next morning with a bruise that looked like a needle mark. No mention of blackout, not mention of falling unconscious, 100% mention of feeling woozy and "not herself".
Twitter girl was asked if she felt woozy/unwell and replied "no, straight unsconscious". Would a group of girls dressed up for a night out have the strength to carry the dead weight of another girl home and put her to bed? She also stated that the hospital had told her they had found "multiple drugs" in her system. How come this hasn't been reported? The report only stated that the bruise was "similar" to a needle bruise.
The story stinks to high heaven.
It really doesn’t.
You say you realise you can black out. Her memory was that she was unconscious. This doesn’t mean she is lying. That’s her memory of it. Gardai would have got statements from her and her friends. Are you, the big expert in human behaviour post-spiking, going to tell us now that she should be capable of remembering everything?
Gardai don’t have the right to disclose anybody’s medical records. Again you seem to think you have this divine right because you want to look for any possibility to discredit someone from coming forward.
You were happy to believe a story that fit your narrative on this, and now there’s one out there that completely contradicts it and it ‘stinks to high heaven’.
There is no point continuing this conversation with you. As pointed out, others who were trying to discredit her have been happy to row back as more details of a Garda investigation emerge whereas you, who literally knows ****-all about the case, is trying to spread a narrative that is so easily debunked.
I read the same statements in the Twitter trail as you.
Looks like she removed the tweets because they contradicted the official reports. Sad really
Might be time to stop digging
The truth always comes out. I look forward to the, begrudging, "you were right, but that doesn't mean every accusation is false" replies when it does come out.
The truth HAS come out, but keep on digging there.
That was a quick court case! They haven't even confirmed if she was jabbed with a needle yet 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here are some clues: "currently investigating", "alleged assault", "possibly caused by a needle"
Funny you say this when you declared she is lying when there has been no court case for that either.
She told two stories. One contradicted the other. Therefore, logically, she is lying in one of them. It's fairly basic.
Story 1: In an unnamed establishment, jabbed, no wooziness, straight unconscious.
Story 2: In an unnamed establishment, jabbed, wooziness, went home, woke up with a bruise consistent with getting a needle.
Spot the difference.
The Gript report is from Tuesday.
The Irish Times quote the same response from The Gardai regarding reports of spiking instances.
Is the Irish Times also wrong?
She didn’t tell two stories.
The second one was told by Gardai, who would have gathered statements from her and her friends who helped her go home (which you conveniently left out). Why are you saying she told the second story when those remarks came from Gardai?
And new information has come to light and Gript has yet to correct the record.
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