Maybe, but you have to balance the cost of getting 3 phase against the cost of charging at the day rate for a few hours
If it cost a euro a day extra in day rate electricity and it costs around €3k for 3 phase then that's nearly 10 years to pay back the cost. Might make sense for a new build where you're paying for a new grid connection, but seems a lot for a retrofit
If you did get 3 phase then 2x 7kW chargers might be a better route. Gives you almost full power and no load sensing nonsense. Alternatively you can get load sensing chargers like a Zappi and they can share a single circuit.
I have my Zappi and EO Mini in a single 40A circuit. The Zappi senses the load and if the EO is charging at 3.6kW then it'll adjust the charging speed to stay under the 7kW limit
That's the dream, most EVs however don't have inverters to convert DC back to AC and there's no simple way to hook into the DC battery
Some car manufacturers are starting to cop on to reality and are offering inverters as an option. Ioniq 5 and Honda E are two good examples. The Ford F150 lightning will also have this option and the recent VW ID.Life concept had an AC output
So hopefully it'll become standard in the next year or two
EDIT: I forgot that ironically most EVs actually do have an inverter for the motor, and it's possible this could be modified to output domestic electricity. So it shouldn't be a huge job to start including V2H on many EVs
Get a pure sine wave inverter and attach it to the jump start points on the car, 150 euro for a 2000w on done deal. Pure sine wave is the important bit.
Can you imagine the inefficiency of dragging around that battery pack once the battery has used up it's range, loopy.
PHEV always were and remain a dirty option
Nonsense that battery pack only weights 300 kg, it will function as a normal hybrid when depleted and average commute is what 30-40 km. So on balance it would save more than use giving average usage. Any way on a long journey what does it matter stopping for 20 minutes for a break and topping up for another 100 km.
"Rapid charging capability at up to 50kW is included, so an 80 per cent top-up will take less than an hour; a full charge takes five hours using a home wallbox."
You have to look at historical use of large SUV PHEVs, lots of UK ones were pure compliance purchases where owners never charged ever, just a purchase to avoid congestion charges etc
This will work and is great for powering oil heating in long power cut, along with freezer etc. Just beware this is a 12 volt to 240 volt system, and you need the car "on" to fill the 12 volt with the main battery. Worst case you may damage the car if you draw too much power and pop something. It's probably not that efficient and you are draining your EV battery during a power cut. Even a 300 watt inverter may work the basics for 50 quid.
If you have 2 EVs in a house and use enough range that both cars need charging every night (or enough nights to clash), you're probably living in the wrong location 😂
Seriously though. Standard family EV these days has 400km range (~70kWh battery). A 2nd EV would likely have 100-200km range so a <30kWh battery. 7kW for the big car gives 63kWh every night rate, and 2kW granny plug gives 18kWh for the 2nd car. That's a hell of a lot of driving if both are needed every day. CEE plug would certainly be worth it for a cheap fix if there's high mileage on both cars.
You will get that and more power to them, but 10 seconds work would have saved them even more but a PHEV is intended to reduce emissions no point knocking the car, if used correctly.
Well you can definitely blame the manufacturers who claimed that BEVs of that level were decades away and lobbied for governments to give generous grants and tax breaks to PHEV buyers despite knowing they weren't being driven in a low emissions manner
And now that the Irish government has copped on and is cutting grants for PHEVs those car manufacturers are up in arms, again despite knowing that the average lifetime emissions of a PHEV is no better than a hybrid and very similar to an ICE car
Got proof that manufacturers knew?
Its only 2500 euro, I imagine manufacturers will soak up some of that.
Yeah I don't really swallow that study, only meet one person who did not bother to charge their car but I do see loads here complaining about phevs plugged in and rubbish like cheaper to charge at home or saving a euro.
The VRT rate is not just 2..5k though. The Arteon I wanted to buy in 2018 had 178g/CO2 -> 31%VRT. It has been replaced with the PHEV version claiming 26g/km->7%VRT. It is a 2.3t car. If one has time to believe the CO2 getting reduced to 13% of original value by adding 10kWh battery good for them. To me it looks doggy. The thing is the car in 2021 > 15% expensive as it was in 2018/19 and the difference is cashed by the manufacturer. The user is getting a lower specced car as if one drives long distance and the battery is depleted it has available 75% of the power for a heavier car. The state gets less tax more than it looses from me not buying petrol 5 years in row, but no think tank in IE cries about it.
This is the big advantage of Tesla and their supercharging network
This would do them https://www.huntoffice.ie/apc-back-ups-950va-ups-ac-230-v-480-watt-950-va-usb-output-connectors-6-black-bx950ui-3352445.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8eOLBhC1ARIsAOzx5cHp5XweCpJy5AliJoKr5NIsWccY4RNRlHFqpF69Xz_tFfPA1SGtAtMaAl3YEALw_wcB
“The interdisciplinary teams have started testing new wireless charging concepts for electric vehicles. Their goal is to develop a higher-power wireless charger through breakthrough designs that focus electromagnetic waves to eliminate interference, thus increasing efficiency. In the first trials, a prototype system has shown a high level of efficiency where up to 98 percent of the energy used (coil-to-coil) could reach the vehicle battery.
the teams also have been able to build from a charging power level of 6.6 kW up to 120 kW, with a goal of 300 kW – enough to provide an 80 percent recharge of the Porsche Taycan in about 10 minutes.”
I wonder what the 5G conspiracy theorists will make of that, they'll think we're getting our brainwaves hacked 😂
Wireless charging seems to be a bit of a ghost which keeps coming and going. It'll be great if it works, but I have a feeling that planners will look at the infrastructure needed and just install charging stations instead
One place it could really help would be long range trucks, giving them the ability to charge along a motorway would really reduce the battery needs for them
These sorts of UPS only will power things for a few minutes. They are meant for power glitches and to give time to save data. They won't power a boiler for a number of hours, and once they die the need power again to recharge. As opposed to using power from EV which could run heating possibly for more than a day, or even multiple days if you ran oil burner in bursts of a few hours a time.
I am trying to figure all this out, it has 10 kW usable plus 3kw as a buffer and a 1.4 l engine and your comparing it to what a 4wd 2 litre petrol version?
About the power I will have to call nonsense again unless you find it reasonable to drive the phev flat out to empty the buffer to have any effect on power, it seems that the phev is infact the most power full of any version bar the 2l 4wd 320 bhp which has fuel economy of 38 mpg or about 7l/100km which is 25000 euro more expensive than the phev
As for vrt, its a standard model less polluting less tax, I find it entirely plausible that the arteon can do 50- 60 km on battery and the 1.4 petrol engine is very efficient and powerful in hybrid mode for example done 660 km in my mothers bmw 225xe 1.5 charges so 60 km and got 5.5l/100km motorway driving for over 400km no loss of power either.
I don't know about the price increases, inflation, greed and demand?
That would power a circulation pump for 5 hours.
Circulation pumps are 100w. . Assuming the lights are LED it’ll do them for hours
Its battery is very, very big by the way: 31kWh, which is almost as big as that of the original Nissan Leaf. Not only will it take you a very long way solely on electric power (we saw an easy 80km, even with some dual-carriageway driving mixed in) but you can even quick-charge it. The 350de will charge to 80 per cent power in about 20 minutes from a 50kWh rapid charging point, although you will have to suffer the death-dagger stares from electric car drivers when they see you hogging a charging point with one of these."
Another big battery CCS PHEV...death dagger stares.....
Just to save you some time BMW x5 I think 24kW, Toyota rav4, and Suzuki across both 18 kWh. Mercedes e300 e has 100 km range, forget what battery size. Mercedes and Mitsubishi are the only makes that fast charge.
Don't confuse DC connection with fast charge e.g. the whore that is a Mits Outlander has a CHAdeMO DC connection but it maxes at 22kW/hr, my Model S charges marginally faster on AC (which we consider a "slow" charger)
Pleasant.
Its a small battery, you work it out, only an idiot would try to dump more electrons into it than it can handle. I found it well suited to my needs without any great expense unlike some other cars. A reliable brand also not some start up, they have sorted most problems by now like panel gaps and door handles etc.
New outlander 20 KW BATTERY
Maybe it will have CCS. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/all-new-mitsubishi-outlander-phev-debuts-with-twin-motor-4wd-setup-54-mile-ev-range-172823.html
It won't be coming here though, will it?
Mitsubishi are largely leaving Europe. They reversed a total withdrawal, but it seems the reversal only really extends to them and Renault jointly developing a couple of cars which will be sold under both brands. But they have not changed their minds on leaving the UK. The new models will not be available there. And if they're not doing RHD for UK, I'm sure they're not doing them for here either.
Are there any threads which cover the “things to know/consider before you buy an electric car”?
ive no idea about battery sizes, charging times, range, cost of charging etc, so any help would be appreciated.
If you post a thread about the type of driving you do, space requirements and budget people here are always happy to help. I was a complete newbie 6 months ago and a total convert now.
I'd of though IEVOA site would of had something, but no (at least not obviously) - https://www.irishevowners.ie/
