sonofenoch wrote: » Doesn't sound like it's served you well ......have never heard of anyone sweeping roads on a Tus programme, I think that would be a fairly well paid council job (do they even use road sweepers anymore) anyone I've heard of were placed in computer refurbish or furniture recycling ...all charity places .................19 and a half hrs a week oh the horror of it all, you could do that and still do any online course
jimjangles wrote: » I was just saying the CE schemes I looked at in my locale are not my kind of thing. If that's where an Tus gets their jobs from I wouldn't be interested in pursuing a career in any of those things. It was caretaker, working for tidy towns, there was some office admin role but I think women usually get those. Anyway it may be a long time before I get called so I suppose I shouldn't worry too much yet. I was wondering do an Tus cover travel if you have to get a bus in and out?
segosego89 wrote: » That's not true at all. The majority of Tus roles revolve around litter picking, grass cutting and groundskeeping work. There are other roles on the scheme that involve administrative work but that kind of work would be in the minority.
Oranage2 wrote: » How many CVs do you send out a week? You're so completely negative about this, it's just 2 and a half days work, and I know many people to have found employment after doing a scheme particularly a CE scheme.
Deleted User wrote: » I suppose that you could say that the reason for that is that the TUS Scheme participants tend to be long term unemployed, with little or no work skills. Though, I personally know two highly educated men who have done these schemes, one of them more than once. They both suffer from anxiety disorders but these schemes gave them the opportunity to gain self confidence.
segosego89 wrote: » I understand what you mean. Is it true that the indoor administrative work offered on the TUS/CE schemes is only offered to women? That can't be true can it? It's a bit discriminatory towards men if true...
jimjangles wrote: » I was wondering do an Tus cover travel if you have to get a bus in and out?
Cherry Blossom wrote: » Of course it’s not true. They just made that up in their head. All the roles in my last post have been filled by both men and women at different times. There’s also two reception posts at the same centre and two of last four people in those roles have been men. There are also women in the roles of environmental worker, caretaker etc. It’s just as another poster pointed out most people on the scheme are low skill long term unemployed so most of the roles are designed to suit them.
segosego89 wrote: » I know I'm going off topic but out of interest did Tus exist in a different incarnation before it began in the early 2010's? In other words was there a kind of "work-for-welfare" thing associated with the long termed unemployed before the 2010's or is that concept a relatively new thing?
Deleted User wrote: » CE Schemes have been around since the 80’s.
I've got a friend being pushed into this programme. It's quite sad to see him stressed about it. They sound like they are doing anything to get people off the live register. They must be put under pressure to get people off it with the amount of people on PUP but he's been treated terribly going off his account of whats happening. It sounds like quite a few people have had their payments cut as a result of having problems with TUS. What happens after that? If your payment is cut I presume you cannot open any new claim for jobseekers so are basically going to be left destitute?
Payments are only cut, not stopped, where there’s no interaction between them and the unemployed.
Some people said they were cut for 9 weeks. I was just wondering in what circumstances. Say you "agree" (forcefully) to go to Tus and then decide to leave whatever place they put you in. I thought I read someone saying they had an issue with a manager and had to leave and were not put on any payment. It's sad to read stories of people comiing off a year of Tus and having no prospects, then they get another Tus letter and have to go through another year of it.
No one is “forced”. These schemes play a big part in getting long term unemployed back into the work habit. Is one is fit for work, there’s nothing stopping them getting a paid position.
They are forced to do it or they will lose their payment. I don't know why you are denying this?
Working in a dead end Tus position that brings no job at the end is a complete waste of time for many people.
Then let them get a paying job. Look on any jobs vacancies website and there are loads of every type in all parts of the country.
OK so why have jobseekers allowance or any supports? Just get a job, its that easy.
I'm guessing you work in Tus or this kind of area.
It’s not as straightforward as that. I was on schemes and programs for years and was genuinely seeking work. I resisted going on DA for a long time as I had convinced myself I was able for work. I was going to interviews and maybe I was too honest with potential employers but they did not agree that I was able to work full time.
Recently received letter inviting me to confirm availability for CE placements via Tús programme, and I'd certainly be open to hearing about what kind of positions they might have going.
My main issue just now though is general covid concerns. I'm currently living with elderly parents, so with case numbers rising again I'm being very careful in terms of minimising contacts and very little socialising ...particularly as it's their house not mine.
With this in mind, I'm worried I might get placement somewhere that I'd have little control over who&how many people I'd be coming into close contact with. Obviously the whole covid situation could fluctuate unpredictably throughout entire 12months of any placement, so would DEASP accept this as grounds for declining at the moment?
If comes to it, I'm kind of thinking I may actually prefer to just take a financial hit I can barely afford, rather than putting my folks at risk in their own home. Any helpful opinions here would be great. Thanks
They’re no Ogres. If offered an unsuitable placement, explain your living arrangements and that will be taken into consideration.
On this thread there are stories of people who have lost their payments and been left destitute because of similar stuff. Personally I wouldn't trust any Tus worker. I've heard too many bad stories. I'd say be careful what you tell them but I think you have a good case there since you're living with elderly. I just wouldn't be surprised if they tried to push you into a place regardless. So be careful is my advice.
Also you don't have a "choice" about whether or not to turn Tus down as the letter may lead you to believe. Turn it down and you'll be pulled in to sw office and have to explain why and I've heard of people being threatened with reduction/struck off (destitution) if they don't comply.
There’s a huge difference between turning down a placement for no reason and turning one down when you have a valid reason. Less of the scaremongering. Communicate with TUS and let them know what areas you are interested in and might gain from.
What kind of questions are asked in the second meeting-phone call?
He said general questions like Physical health, Time management, Leaving cert.
But what else?
Thanks
If you’re on Jobseekers then you have to be looking for and available for full time work. I think if you refuse to consider 191/2 hours without a very good reason then it’s not unreasonable for SW to ask you what your plans are.
You work for the department. A valid reason to a jobseeker might not be seen as a valid reason by the Tus people, which is why there aare stories of people being left destitute or having to go through Tus again and again. Pretty pointless when they could be spending that time looking for actual employment where they get a proper wage but it keeps the Tus people employed in a pretty nice job.
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