I am referring to the graph. You posted a graph showing total cases for the entire pandemic as if it supported some point you were trying to make. You are now pretending you were saying something else. Dishonest to the end.
I wasn't referring to that graph. The figure as of today is 472 in hospital compared to 2020 in hospital at the peak. If one third of these are already vaccinated then the restrictions are not justified and are clearly being used as stick to beat the unvaccinated.
"I didn't ignore any questions". That's a direct lie, you started ignoring questions in that thread immediately. Right there in the link that anyone can read, page 9 onwards you start ignoring dozens of genuine questions. You literally just ignored the question I asked you in the post you replied to now, that's relevant to this thread. Pathological toxic behavior.
the figures you posted are irrelevant to the discussion about vaccinations. they are for a period when vaccinations did not exist. for once just admit you got it wrong. Just once. show that you are capable of arguing in good faith.
We're only at 20% of the hospitalisation figures as what were seen during the peak of the pandemic. ICU and deaths are far lower again. The continuation of restrictions as they are is not justified.
And you should stick with making up things….oh wait….you are!
What exactly is it that you think these charts are showing?
You do know that those 100% numbers for the percentage of population vaccinated age over 70 will be rounded and in no way means there is actually every single person over the age of 70 vaccinated. Just the vast majority of them are, but those who are not from that age group will be making up a large portion of those being hospitalised.
Lol
Talk about not understanding what your posting!!! Classic
those figures are totals for the entire pandemic, from well before people were vaccinated.
You should stick to asking questions. Presenting facts is not your forte...
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/detailed-profile-of-cases
Then that makes my post above even more astonishing! 😉
I was referring to the adult population
It's more like 25% who are unvaccinated of the whole population.
You guys keep claiming that the government is villifying people who don't get the vaccine etc etc.
But you've not actually shown this is the case.
I think what's happened is that you guys are taking what some people in the media say, taking it out of context, exaggerating, filtering it through your desire to be a matyr, then adding a sprinkling of lies and fibs to make it sound like "vilifying." Then you make the assumption that person is saying this tuff on the orders of the government, because you assume that everyone is part of the conspiracy.
Can any of you guys point out an example of the government "painting the unvaccinated as the boogeyman"? Just one?
Unvaccinated make up more than half the cases in hospital, yet are a very small minority of the population. It is obvious that the unvaccinated are using far more hospital resources, and therefore are causing problems.
Boosters are required because the protection given by the vaccines starts to taper off after 5 or 6 months.. You know this, or you would if you actually paid any attention.
boosters arent a holy debated topic right now???
anyone over 60 or immunocompromised is recommended to get a booster once its more than 5 months since their second jab.
https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-boosters-for-over-60s-approved-by-niac-5578171-Oct2021/
who is debating this?
The whole thing is a thundering mess. The government are dead set on painting the unvaccinated as the boogeyman. If 90% vaccination is not enough then what is? 100%? Boosters wouldn't be such a hotly debated topic right now if they thought the 10% unvaccinated were the problem
Again, we're seeing a fierce amount of projecting here.
And all as a distraction to the actual topic.
And yes Marky. You made up some evidence to try and defend your belief that all space missions are faked.
You are they type of conspiracy theorists the others are getting so offended at being compared to.
Which question are you claiming was being run away from? The one about do former conspiracy theory posters who abandoned the site now know better about their conspiracy?
I'd assume that was a rhetorical question as without them coming back to renounce their conspiracy there isn't really any claim that can be made either way as to their current beliefs.
Honestly, coming from you that is absolutely comedy gold!
You have ran away and avoided most questions asked of you and you do this on a daily basis, you don't want a debate you want a discussion with people who will only agree with what ever mad theory you can come up with. The Mars thread is absolute proof of that.
Don't like getting a taste of your own medicine no?
I'm only asking questions.
You are just deflecting so that you don't have to answer questions.
Why are you running away?
And avoiding questions?
"proof"
LOL
i love the irony
markus, you are the worst kind of poster, a liar who makes up fake stuff to try to make an argument. you the worst kind of dishonest and 'bad faith' poster that exists over this whole site.
I didn't ignore any questions. It's against my own, and the site's policy to engage with abrasive or trolling posters.
Do you think most of the people who have come and gone from the forum and presented their theories have left with a positive experience and no longer believe in the conspiracy theory or are better informed at least?
Of course the answer is absolutely not. Therefore you have failed as a forum user and failed horribly.
All the cards in your hand have been shown I'm afraid - sealioning, spamming, gas-lighting, sneering to name but a few - the proof is contained within every one of your posts!
the problem with antigen testing is that people are most likely to spread covid before they develop symptoms, which is one of the more insidious aspects of this virus.
so taking an antigen test after you develop a temp / cough etc and them isolating may actually be too late to restrict spreading it on.
Antigen has an accuracy of about 50%, the chance of spreading SARS-COV2 while vaccinated is less than 50% (believed to be somewhere in the 60-90% range depending on the person, their immune system and how soon since the vaccine they contracted SARS-COV2). Thus, being vaccinated is a much better option than antigen testing.
If there are less or equal amount of people in ICU with COVID then there in ICU with flu, then we could say that SARS-COV2 has been beaten, mask mandates will be dropped at that point. You would need a reason why they would be kept beyond that.
Hell, if all the willful unvaccinated got jabbed, our ICU COVID figures would be 50% less and we could reduce restrictions sooner, instead we need to wait for the virus to circulate in this group which could take months, if not years.
Well, it changes things a bit.
You now believe that they will stay even if COVID cases drop to 0, I think you would find it hard to argue this, but will be interesting to see your reasoning why.
Cases will drop off as CFR starts to match the flu, there will be annual boosters available to all where uptake will wane year on year, and eventually there will be very few hospital/ICU cases.
So for the measures to be permanent, you need a reason why mask mandates would stay without COVID, or a reason why they would keep the hospital/ICU cases high to keep mandating them.
Without this reasoning, you can't predict that the measures would be permanent anymore (understanding that it could take a few years to work through the after effects from a pandemic).
Even today, some restrictions remain but a lot have been lifted, there has been no rollbacks and no signs that politicians want rollbacks, again, making it harder to argue that anything will be permanent.
It's okay, we'll have it arranged that the entire site is moved to a new platform to cover up this little unfortunate disclosure
Well my opinion looking at the summer gone by is there will never be a number zero with Covid, never be zero in hospital, and it’s going to be difficult to live with it. Focusing solely on access for vaccinated people without acknowledging that they can also spread the virus is foolish. I use antigen quite a bit. It should be used on a widespread basis.
But why wouldn't they?
Why do you believe making masks permenant benefits them?
You keep running away from this question because I think you can't provide a rational reason.
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