you mentioned getting social housing tenants to pay rent , the harsh reality is that the failure to have these measures in place falls on legislators , dcc are not legislators , and it doesnt matter one dam who has majority seats on that council !
lookit , you came out with rubbish without thinking it thru , its like the nonsense you came out with yesterday about self valuing a gaff for half its worth , you cannot reasonably do that without expecting to be contacted by revenue , or your other nonsense about ministers going up north !
Back to "something something FF/FG something something".
SF ran DCC for years, all during that time did they manage to resolve the issue?
Have SF any plans to tackle the issue at all because I have never once heard them mention it.
SF are populists not left wingers
Their only connection with socialism comes from Belfasts friendship with the former soviet union, that's dying out
The cult of Populism is a phase any growing party must navigate
Reality eventually bites
It did for 'new labour' Syrizza, it will for Macron and it will for SF
FG has had several dalliance's with populism, its most effective in a crisis was 2011
The civil service sprays round up on it as quickly as it hits office
governments of ff and fg are to blame for that one , they are the ones that have been legislating for the last 100 years , attachment orders like they were going to do with water and lpt for actual homeowners , but their was no appetite to do that by the look of things !
If they could get social housing to pay rent, never mind paying LPT.
100% right. Based on the calculator I provided 64k after tax without any pensions etc.
These are the real rich here. New free luxury apartments, Guaranteed income. Do a few nixers here and there. No stress or worry. That's for the fools paying for the BS!
I'd implement a proper LPT or scrap it altogether... start charging proper rents on social housing and deduct at source if needs be...
Increase motor tax substantially on new cars... certainly on petrol, diesel and probably hybrids...
If in doubt, contact any auctioneer and get them to give you a valuation. The cheeky way is to say that you’re think of selling. Then they won’t charge very much.
Someone on 100k is on 60k gross I think... if that is in dublin, it's a modest income
how have you reached that conclusion can I ask ? its a brave comment to throw out their considering you had to be educated on the ins and outs of purposely under valuing the gaff thinking you could patiently wait and hope it sold for less than market value lol !
tell you what , import a car into Ireland , try dodging the VRT on it on the price you bought it for ( current market value ) and offer to pay revenue the vat calculated on the value you sold it at ten years later and let us know what revenue say
As we can see from this thread, the SF supporters complaining don’t even pay the LPT.
Taxing property is one of the oldest and prominent left-wing ideals and has been thus for the past 200 years..... yet we have left-wingers in Ireland in the form of SF saying, No, we should not tax property....
Irish exceptionalism at its finest.
"We want very good world-class public services...... but I want someone else to pay for it all..."
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thats exactly what you did , if you read my post youll see that I posted the examples , complete with your contradictory posts !
You never answered the question. You have a habit of not answering what you were asked or going of on a tangent when you know you are screwed.
I responded, you ignored it. Seemed fairly pointless responding after that would you not agree?
I done none of what you are accusing me of. But you are aware of that.
The poster hadn’t a clue what LPT was, I tried to give some information to help explain.
On another thread Dudley was saying MNC's would leave if the tax rate was increased. When asked where they would move to he never answered.
im surely not the only one that notices when dudleys hollow arguments get laid bare in plain sight he likes to " leave people to it "
you actually did try and bluff folk into believing you could just put down any valuation plucked from nowhere and either offset it , or pray your home sold for less than the current market value .
few seconds later you tried to use my own explanation of how you were absolutely wrong against me , you really do not have a clue what you are spouting on about , but you are posting your opinion as gospel , and that is in fact a very dangerous thing to do , if you dont have a clue about how something works , youre better to keep quiet on the subject as you then stop yourself looking foolish and hopefully some poor eegit wont see your incorrect posts and get into bother by taking it as advice !
Will leave you to it, it’s clear neither of you have a clue on LPT and trying to explain here is pointless.
I suggest you ring them if you ever need to, best of luck
dudley you dont even realise that youre arguing against yourself now , you said earlier it was self evaluation , and if you under declared you just topped up the difference after the sale of a house !
If the person is sitting in a house and reckons it is worth 250k but the market says it is 500k they can pay the LPT for 250k. If they go to sell and get 500k then they have to top up the difference on all the property tax. But if they hold out and the market reduces and they sell at 250k then no issue.
but now youve changed position to actually agree with what i was saying about revenue pulling people who purposely undervalued the current valuation , as the tax due on it is the preset value at current rates .
here you are
Let say you live in Dublin and every house in the area is 500k and you value you's at 250k. The revenue will spot.
here i am saying what you are now saying too
the article up above said revenue could contact you if they suspect you to have under declared value , and unless you can support why you have placed the value you did , it could be reassessed , and you would be taxed at the new value they place on it !
the article up above said revenue could contact you if they suspect you to have under declared value , and unless you can support why you have placed the value you did , it could be reassessed , and you would be taxed at the new value they place on it
thats not self valuation by any stretch of your imagination
Also I don't like the idea of property value being set by the gouging friends of FF/FG in the property business
The new valuation which will apply from 2022 -2025 needs to be submitted before 1st Nov.
In terms of the statement "you would have all kinds of blaggards claiming there houses were worth a tenth of the market value ", no you won't. Let say you live in Dublin and every house in the area is 500k and you value you's at 250k. The revenue will spot.
I gave an unrealistic example to try and make it clear to someone who clearly had no idea about LPT.
The reason they asked for Self valuation was to reduce cost and to implement quickly. The alternative was hiring loads of people to value every house in Ireland. Now they have an online tool to help people if they are unsure.
yes exactly , it isnt " self valuation " in a true sense of the word , its more apt to be describing it as " self declaring the market valuation "
otherwise , you would have all kinds of blaggards claiming there houses were worth a tenth of the market value .
the self valuation thing along with the hundred pound registration payment was nothing more than a mixture of a lazy arsed way of introducing the tax , and a bribe to get you to put your name in the ring
The market is rigged. FF/FG are part of that.
The owner can't pull a value out of their hole. Its based on market value.
You are confused. You are saying the owner sets it but it has to be realistic.
Do you not see you are twisting in the wind here?
i know the true value of my humble abode here dudley because ihelped build it with my barehands !
but what I dont , and know is what itll be worth next year , or the year after that ect ect . not many home owners do because without a crystal ball its close to impossible .
besides , thats not the only thing you got wrong ,
The market can be inflated, that makes no difference. If the person is sitting in a house and reckons it is worth 250k but the market says it is 500k they can pay the LPT for 250k. If they go to sell and get 500k then they have to top up the difference on all the property tax. But if they hold out and the market reduces and they sell at 250k then no issue.
its not a case of just under declaring the price of a house , and settling out of your estate .
you make it sound like having a bet at a casino , i have had numerous dealings with revenue before I left Ireland , but i can say one thing , the irish revenue is a finely run system , i would bet my last penny that they collect taxes on current property price valuation , a person's house dropping in value by the time of their death wont mean jack to them , youll still owe your dues dudley , you had better believe that !
Well that made zero sense. Anyone I know that owns a house can tell me the value now v the actual value when the market levels out. It’s normal the most expensive thing you own so you do the research.
Based on what? The market. Who sets the market, normally the customer. Not so with the Irish housing market. They set a price and if the public can't afford it the coalition of attrition lease it for 25 years with no option to buy or rent it or supply the funds to the buyer. It can't last. We can't function by taking from Peter to pay paul.
Any party not doing that might get my vote. Happens SF are the best hope we have currently.
Tracking property value is fairly easy and you will find most people know the real value and inflated value for their house.
how can anyone know there gaffe is and always will be worth anything
i seem to remember ireland having a celtic tiger a while ago , were people were flipping gaffes without even looking at them , people buying and selling all over the show , but of course some poor sods were left holding the " parcels " when the music stopped , and got burnt with mortgages the gaffes weren't worth the half of !
same thing applies for people livin in modest gaffes and next thing you know a luas line opens beside it and the value goes tru the roof , of a not so nice area becomes cool and trendy all of a sudden and your gaff increases by huge amounts !
no one knows the true value of there property from one year to the next never mind try and claim it is and always will be worth something , dudley better not have notions of getting into property , for the own sake 😂
This is what you posted
Nobody sets the value but the owner of the property. As per the link provided
The warning you get is if you know the property is and always will be worth 500k and you low ball it, then you are just building up a huge debt that at some stage will have to be paid off.
You clearly have no idea about LPT.
No good sir, tis you. You I say who's dumbing it down to suit your team.
Property value is based on the market. You can't pull a figure out of your arse. The property market is artificial. Its currently inflated by FF/FG and their friends in the property biz driving up pricing.
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