No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

Haven't watch any Bond film since the 1980s but went to see this one last night.

Awful film.

You have a lot of catching up to do! Assuming you saw the two Timothy Dalton films from the late 1980s, there are four Pierce Brosnan ones and four other Daniel Craig ones. From the PB era, I would recommend Goldeneye, and, from the DC era, I would recommend Skyfall.

Definitely has its flaws, but I still thoroughly enjoyed - much more so than I did QoS, Skyfall, or Spectre.

I totally get the anti Malek arguments (and he was pretty rubbish), but that didn’t ruin the movie for me… for once, Bond’s mission and focus were not the bad guy or threat, but the personal story, and in a way I liked how they ‘backgrounded’ the stuff that we’d have normally been hit over the head with (bad guy motives, who the global targets were, how the factory worked etc) - it didn’t matter to Bond, so it didn’t matter to us.

Given the corners they’d been written into by the previous movies, I’m pretty happy with this as an end to the Craig series. Though I didn’t need the grimness of the ending. Casino Royale still the top dog anyway.

As a side note, that ‘agent Paloma’ segment definitely felt like a test run for a character, and it really worked I think. Could be quite a playful, fun spinoff.

It got off to a below par release in the US and has an older audience then venom

I know people are complaining about the run time, but imo it didn't feel like a 2.75 hour film. It's a very fast watch.

if it is supposed to need 8-9 hundred million to make a profit , it seems difficult to see it getting above six hundred at this stage as its not going to do great in the US, they probably made a mistake delaying a US release as the audience would have heard the mixed reviews and the spoilers. First Bond film to make a loss, I think they will need to take a break for 5 years or more before they even consider making another film

Grosses

DOMESTIC (17.6%)

$55,225,007

INTERNATIONAL (82.4%)

$259,028,000

WORLDWIDE

$314,253,007

i think its fair to say there's probably still a covid effect here as well...

I honestly think they over-advertise Bond movies tbh. With so many of their product placement partners running tie-in ads, the endless TV spots, buses, billboards etc. are massive overkill. The fans will already know when it's coming and the general public aren't going to go see a film just because they're bombarded with advertising for it.

I'd actually wager that a lot of flagpole movies could be a lot more profitable if they didn't spend so much on Advertising so the only answer I have is that those paying for the advertising also own the companies making the money from that (and it's simply a tax efficient means of moving film production money into other assets).

Bond films were cultural events back in the day, the first BMW yada yada, the film song would be all over the charts. "nobody" watches television ads now so I wouldnt have thought there would be any buzz about what the product placement is. Also as full on commuting etc has not happened yet there is less being exposed to Bus or other public film posters.

The All4 player and RTE Player had Bond ads every break too... the advertising spend is absolutely astronomical for these movies. And I really, really don't see how the "buzz" the morkeshing people promise delivers in bums on cinema seats. I'm convinced it's some form of Hollywood accounting rather than the studios being too thick to realise that for every dollar spent on advertising they need to be getting an extra two or three back in ticket sales...

true, but a lot of people dont, my kids would know who Tuberty is (lucky them) , the bang for a marketing $ must be dropping

Remember Bond drove a mondeo in quantum of solace. A mondeo ffs.

seems like an absolute legend off screen