or another way. If He needs to do francies bidding or at least not disagree with him and he’ll be ok
He doesn't need 'to do my bidding' downcow, he NEEDS to do the bidding he laid out for himself and his party, which was to be a different choice for Unionists.
He didn't, he capitulated to the DUP and TUV demands. And consequently aligned himself and his party with them.
No, I don't have a clue what you're talking about Downcow.
How you've read ANY of my posts and come back saying that Doug Beattie needs to 100% agree with me to gain my respect I don't have a clue. Care to find a single post of mine that shows anything but respect for Doug Beattie, despite he and I being diametrically opposed on some core political issues?
I went, 'on a rant' at you because despite your claims to the contrary, you have presented a great and inclusive message from the UUP and tried to twist around as usual to get a dig in at Themuns. Your faux inability to understand that Camogie is a variation of hurling (played by women), 'supported' by the fact that they have different governing bodies. Your, 'surely this isn't hurling' nonsense made it quite clear you presented a positive move by the UUP in a sneering and contrarian manner. Not the language of someone who genuinely welcomes seeing the UUP extend the hand of inclusiveness at all. Pretend all you want, you're not as clever as you seem to think and it is apparent to absolutely anyone who has spent more than a minute interacting with you.
I'll repeat my challenge; find a single example of me speaking as positively about any SF representative as I have Doug Beattie in the post you quoted.....alternatively you could acknowledge you were talking sh*te when you said, "people have to agree 100% with you to gain your full respect".
alliance party must be crapping themselves 😂
https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1446796892768292867?t=k5jtn8XvxsSaCoaJ1LEZZw&s=08
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Instead of protesting, Unionists should be thanking the EU for the protocol.
You'd think that but wait until you hear about bringing a dog from Scotland.....
Why would we not push to get things even better?
Unionists want to be like the UK and for that reason want Brexit applied to NI. However, you think they also want to make things even better? So why campaign for a failed political project What exactly was wrong with what you had (EU membership) and why then do the unionist parties want to distance themselves even further from that (and ignoring the views of the electorate)?
It just shows that the unionist political approach, in terms of Brexit and the NIP, makes absolutely no sense at all!
No Protocol would be better now? That is what Unionism want - No Protocol at all, without the slightest suggestion of a workable alternative.
Any chance you could take a consistent position and stick to it?
To make things better will only come as a result of making the protocol work. I assume ye want jobs and companies being attracted to NI which will come as a result having to the single market. Brexit is a disaster and the quicker unionists get clued in, the better for both communities.
I wouldn't say all Unionists want the protocol gone. There would presumably be some moderates who are pragmatic enough to see the advantages and stability that access to the SM provides, if only in the short term, while the rest of the UK grapples with shortages.
As for the less moderate Unionists, I would agree that their talk of compromise will be never ending. If they got one compromise, they would immediately seek another, and then another still if they got that one, right up to the point that there was no protocol at all. If they're so confident that this protocol is not the will of the majority of NI people, there's another inbuilt way to affirm that - a vote by the NI Assembly, but in reality they are not confident they could win it. I wonder why?
'Political' Unionism wants the Protocol gone, was what I meant. I know quite a few Unionists don't and more probably care less.
Downcow thinks one day the Protocol is great, next day he is siding with politicians who want it gone. Dizzying stuff.
What exactly are you proposing thats better?
Had to share this guardian article. Shocking stuff, really.
On the far side of borders, a new Ireland is taking shape
Evidence is mounting that Northern Ireland is failing. A different constitutional future seems increasingly likely
She is a bit of a broken record.
if NI is failing the the majority of people in NI including many former nationalists don’t believe it. Unless every poll ever taken is wrong.
mall wishful thinking fantasy stuff
Don’t have me tell you. Watch the Eu far reaching proposals and the outcome of the following negotiations
Won't be enough for Jim Allister who'll call Donaldson and Beattie traitors if they accept it, so they'll fall in line. Frost will have an excuse to reject the far-reaching easements.
Remember now there's a clause in the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) that allows the EU to terminate it unilaterally which would result in that rock-hard Brexit with tariffs, and all, levied on British goods heading for the EU. The problems that GB is experiencing now would be severely exacerbated.
You think the north will not suffer for this? The Protocol is saving the north from the consequences GB is feeling. If the TCA is ripped up and we have a goods border in Ireland then the north's economy will be essentially destroyed. You think your 'precious union' will survive that?
Fears that the UK is heading for a trade war with the EU have been fuelled by strong indications from the government that proposals to be unveiled in Brussels on Wednesday over Brexit arrangements do not go far enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/09/trade-war-looms-as-uk-set-to-spurn-eu-offer-on-northern-ireland
You would be silly to think that the exact same proposal wouldn’t hurt us and NI. We are very much linked in trade. Ireland is the only thing preventing a hard Brexit occurring and I think holding back the EU backlash on Britain. The EU doesn’t need UK as much as the UK needs the EU and each side knows it. Brinkmanship. But we need Britain as a trade partner because we failed to ready ourselves for the inevitable hoping it would never happen and to we needed to keep NI safe from a free fall into collapse.
Sometimes you have to think that Unionists want NI to suffer just that they can be close to the "Union". Sure didn't Donaldson say he wouldn't mind losing 40000 jobs as long he got the brexit he wanted. Would you like to be part of that 40000 and still vote Unionist.
Ireland's goods trade with GB is a fraction of what GB's is with the EU. If a full on trade war transpires then the North would be at the arse-end of a severely strained GB supply chain and especially so if a goods border in Ireland was the result of all this.
no - I want you to tell me. You said shouldnt you be pushing for more - Im asking whats your proposal to solve the issue
The British are at it again. Guess it's gonna be the hard way.
David Frost on Twitter: "1. I prefer not to do negotiations by twitter, but since @simoncoveney has begun the process... ...the issue of governance & the CJEU is not new. We set out our concerns three months ago in our 21 July Command Paper. The problem is that too few people seem to have listened." / Twitter
I think a Twitter war on this would be great entertainment. So sick of the never ending Brexit merry-go-round. Time to spice it up.
I have said many many times. Common sense. The uup have outlined proposals that would work. I will try to get a link. But in short no need for checks of stuff stating in ni and a simple system where Uk ensure this isn’t broken and if broken Uk pays compensation to Eu. Eu court takes nothing to do with it.
So a border between NI & ROI for those items?
Who decides if the UK broke the rules?
No absolutely not
Ok - Can’t see that happening. There has to be a border somewhere unless regulations align.
Its either Irish Sea or NI/ROI or a combination of both depending on the product. Only exception is no border for where regulations align.
It does appear that the EU is considering allowing specific goods from GB to NI that will stay in NI.
GB sausages were mentioned, and are no threat to the EU, a negligible amount in the ROI would choose them over Irish sausages, and I can’t see them being shipped to continental Europe from NI, doubt there’d be a market for them except maybe Gibraltar.
What other products might be included?
It’s looking like we might be heading for some tariffs on UK goods if the NI protocol isn’t implemented fully soon.
