If a few hundred or so racists in a country of over 5million have you worried, i feel sorry for you.
The “Far right” in this country is so minute it’s not even worth talking about. We don’t even have a major political party that is right wing or centrist, no matter how they describe themselves. Fine Fail and Fine Gael are left wing, Labour and Sinn Fein are far left.
Yes, he is a North African Jew, who grew up in the same suburbs that are now the target of his ire. He certainly has given a bigger window of opportunity for those who restrained their opinions on the subject of nationality. The mostly left leaning media are cornering him into that section of his Political preoccupations, and of course he complains about that, but he doesn’t have a team yet, nor a programme to speak of.
He said that Petain gave up Foreign Jews in France to save French Jews, which is a bit different but equally controversial. Worth noting that he is a Jew and the son of Algerian immigrants, and has already outstripped LePen in polling. What the French establishment are really afraid fo is that he's driving the agenda and making cadidates nail their colours to the mast on issues they'd rather not touch
Eric Zemmour, a very highly visible TV personality, political commentator and polemicist is about to enter the presidential race in France. He has been advocating very restrictive immigration measures, and radical policies favo(u)ring assimilation. One of these is to bring back a policy that states children should bear French/European first names. He is considered more to the right of Marine LePen, and has a slight advantage in the polls. He has been sounding the demise of France for a long time especially as it relates to the invasion of Muslim and African populations, who he deems incompatible with French culture and republican ideals. He is also, in his latest polemics stating that Petain saved the Jews in WWII, and wants to unite the right wing parties to effectively oppose the Left and Center forces.
Unfortunately, there are many far right groupings in Ireland at the moment, and they are increasing in size.
A worrying development.
It's an extension of the adoption of foreign interests and concerns. Ireland doesn't have and has never had a serious far right movement. At best it's a watercolored religious conservatism with some nationalism added in. Some dabbling with racial superiority, but few Irish would be able to resist laughing at the idea of Irish people being racially superior.
The far right in Europe and the US, has a long established history through nationalism, and racial/cultural superiority. In Europe, they're a threat because we've been going through an extended period where socialism and socialist leaning political parties have had the most influence. The far right being their ultimate boogeyman, who actually exist within their borders. With Ireland though... we don't. It's a boogeyman for our socialist leaning parties because they've adopted the fears, and scare tactics of our European neighbors. The Nazi's will come and take over. Meh. Smoke and mirrors to distract the general population from the failures and corruption of the political parties.
The far right are no threat to Ireland. Unless we want to consider the range of immigration from Eastern Europe or S.America who are more likely than Irish people to appreciate the beliefs of the far right. But I guess that wouldn't mesh with the desire for more immigration.
Actually, I have to laugh when I hear about the fears regarding the far right, especially when it comes from advocates of mass immigration. Where do the majority of those immigrating to the west come from? Africa, M.East, and S.America. All are continents where center-right and right wing political parties are commonplace and widely popular. With Africans tribalism is a definite factor, which pushes a degree of superiority based along racial lines, and the M.East has a wide range of peoples who believe in their superiority along religious lines. A honest consideration of non-western nations, will notice that the "Right" is very popular throughout the world, in one form or another, and what? All these immigrants are coming to Europe because they don't agree with such considerations? Can people really be that naive?
We have a native population that is resistant to right wing beliefs... but that should be diluted with peoples who have a long history of supporting/enabling right leaning politics?
Yep - the blind spot advocates have is that they would consider the entirely predictable reaction to mass migration to be the problem. Not the mass migration that they themselves create. Everyone can point to the inter-ethnic mess of Yugoslavia, or the post colonial borders of the Middle East and Africa which ignored ethnic realities and wonder how did the planners fail to spot the obvious conflicts to follow. Yet the highly educated, enlightened and high status ideology is to create the same ethnic division within European countries. What else could follow, except bitter conflict?
It would be black comedy without the avoidable and grim atrocities against the indigenous people that have followed. In this very thread, one of the prime cheerleaders for open borders begged me not to draw attention to the inter-ethnic atrocities because it was too disturbing for them to contemplate. Yet, despite that, their fervour for open borders remains undimmed. No one can suffer too much for the utopia of open borders, least of all the innocent.
The rise of the far right turning out like 1930s Nazi Germany sounds far fetched. It has happened before so it would be prudent to be wary.
Its not any less likely that a country in Europe could shift demographics to a ratio that led to the disastrous genocidal wars in Lebanon and, if we want an example in Europe, the former Yugoslavia. So why is it wrong to be wary of that?
Well, thanks for acknowledging that the rise of mass migration is far greater than the media scare story of the "far right". It does beg the question of why the media focuses dismisses one, while amplifying the other. I would consider however that mass migration is far more dangerous to the indigenous population than is the so called "far right". When it comes down to it, the "far right" amounts to some of the indigenous population politely expressing the view that mass migration into their own homeland may possibly be not in their own interests.
The affordability of the old age pension is an ongoing discussion. The affordability and ease of Ongoing access to welfare is not- why?
It may exceed it, it is far less dangerous however.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/details-of-proposal-to-raise-state-pension-age-published-by-ministers-1195911.html
Migration hasnt prevented the retirement age going up
another fun one - "The in-migration of non-Irish speakers is also contributing to the fall in the proportion of Irish speakers living in the Gaeltacht. Just like An Rinn, this is an issue in Conamara (Connemara), the largest and most populous Gaeltacht.
"There is certainly a problem with estates being built in Gaeltacht areas which attract in young families and a lot of children who are not Irish speakers going to the local schools," said Donncha Ó hÉallaithe, a Gaeltacht community activist from Conamara.
"All in one bang, you could change the language of the community quite dramatically. And that's something that has to be guarded against."'
................imagine RTE or the Irish Times running an article warning of the dangers of people from a different culture arriving into an area? And those new arrivals threatening the existence of the long term inhabitants?
The rise of mass migration in Ireland far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far...[repeat to infinity]...far exceeds the rise of the "far right" in Ireland. But thanks for confirming my initial statement.
Do you think if the tables were turned we would be allowed to move to Syria or Afghanistan, have our entire existence subsidised by them and also allowed to live in Irish ghettos where we continued to live exactly the same way we lived in Ireland?
Seriously doubt it for some reason.
Nope. It's just a factual statement.
kind of like this statement; the rise of the far right in Ireland, is far scarier prospect then any immigration.
This is a key statement. In the minds of advocates of open borders, the issue is not mass migration. The issue is the indigenous people who are reluctant to surrender their homelands to waves of mass migration. So the indigenous people becomes the enemy of their own government, media and business class.
There is a fair amount of odd assertions going on here. If immigrants were not welcome in the countries they were immigrating to, they would not be allowed to immigrate. Yet they were permitted - so either they were welcomed, or the mass migration policy set by European governments is not made with the support of Europeans generally. Pick one. Immigrants seek out "their own people for safety and support" because that is what all people do, including the indigenous people - hence the flight from diversity and the increasingly kafkaesque top down efforts to enforce it against the wishes of everyone involved. The reason multiculturalism has been a dismal failure in other European countries is because mass migration was permitted by European governments - there is no successful mass migration policy because the term itself is an oxymoron.
Ireland's experience of mass migration is even more rapid than other European countries, not less. 1 in 5 of Irish residents were born abroad. This does not consider the descendants of those people which were born in Ireland. So in less than 30 years, the Irish could have shrunk to just 3 in 4 of the population of their own nation-state. The CSO reported than in 2020, just 77% of babies were born to mothers of Irish nationality. The proportion born to ethnic Irish mothers would be even less than 77%. The same CSO report found that Irish fertility dropped to 1.6, far less than the 2.1 required to maintain the existing population. Yet the Irish government ignores this fertility crisis amongst Irish people, and is instead obsessed with solving the entirely artificial "housing crisis" by building more houses (entirely contradictory to the claimed environmental aims) despite there being less and less Irish people to live in them. What makes up the demand for new houses in a country with less than replacement fertility? Mass migration by non-Irish people into the Irish homeland.
As for not suggesting a Star Trek utopia, what other argument is there for mass migration? Why should Irish people gamble with the future inheritance of their descendants by opening up their homeland to mass migration if not for some promised utopia? Even you sound unconvinced of any potential benefits, whereas I can point out the negative consequences.
Ultimately, what you present is you place zero value on Irish people or their future. You think it makes you seem enlightened and high-status to support high risk, dangerous and illogical policies like mass migration. This is not your fault - you are the victim of an intensive propaganda campaign. But it really is the equivalent of trying to persuade people to douse themselves in petrol and light a match...what are they afraid of, right?
Except large scale immigration (per the opening paragraph of the article) isn't a requirement for us to remain prosperous... since we've turned to technology, and the economy is far more reliant on services (along with R&D), than it is manufacturing, agriculture, or whatever. Even our existing manufacturing base isn't labor intensive, more reliant on machinery and skilled operators.
It's taking the needs of larger nations with long standing (historical) requirements for a large labor force, and pushing the same needs on to Ireland... and it makes little logical sense. It's easily avoided..
The current population along with natural population growth (along with natural immigration) would be enough to continue a modern economy absent the political gestures of a class based system, and the pushing of agendas to ensure support for those groups. Like in the US or Italy where manufacturing is propped up in areas where it was traditionally established, but has since lost competitive/market advantage/relevance... and so, further immigration is needed to maintain the labor supply for a range of industries, that are becoming more and more irrelevant or inefficient as time goes by. All the while such employment is no longer capable of providing a reasonable standard of living within that State, nor are the companies involved cost effective in a modern sense (look at business closures and unemployment in Spain and Italy). It's a range of logic that guarantees serious social unrest and instability, even without the problems of immigration and differing cultures clashing.
Yes, I must have read somewhere, there is no way I came to that conclusion myself after listening to hiphop from my early teens up to close to my middle age crisis :) But I'm not going to defend it any longer (or even listen to for that matter), especially since hiphop turned into face tattooed garbage clown music.
cant be prosperous without going extinct apparently.
I think it's the idea of protesting the discrimination and state of living in the US as an African American. Highlighting the lifestyle that people were forced into.
I don't listen to much rap, but a lot of the older stuff that I do remember (vaguely) did reference the problems of absent fathers, discrimination, limited opportunities, etc. All of which could be considered some kind of protest.. although in reality, the music did seek to elevate drug sellers, pimps and murderers as being something special.
What do you think Fu*k Tha Police is about, if not racial profiling and harrassment??
**** the police comin' straight from the underground
A Young nigga got it bad 'cause I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
**** that ****, 'cause I ain't the one
For a punk motherfucker with a badge and a gun
To be beatin' on, and thrown in jail
We can go toe-to-toe in the middle of a cell
Fuckin with me 'cause I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin' my car, lookin' for the product
Thinkin' every nigga is sellin' narcotics
You'd rather see me in the pen
Than me and Lorenzo rollin' in the Benzo
Gangsta rap was a protest? Did you read that in the Guardian or something?
(gangsta) rap was meant to be a protest, a way to bring awareness to and speak against this lifestyle, and not something to be applied into their own reality. Unfortunately it mutated into a garbage that does the exact opposite.
Looks odd everywhere. You can see Asian young people sometimes doing it too, including the women, which is often quite funny to see. People trying too hard to be noticed. Shame about the tattoos that tend to come with it though. Reminds me of the Goths tbh. Assuming an attitude, and appearance which affected behavior, while objecting that they were marginalsed or people were mean to them. Meh.
I've even seen that trend in my town of jeans hanging down around there knees and boxers nearly fully exposed and them skully bandana things on their heads that's like a Cape off the back of their head....looks so odd in Ireland
They tawk like their from Souf London because many of them ARE from South London. They were raised there by families that gave the UK asylum system their best shot and then, like a significant number of their ilk here, found themselves on their last appeal or learned that they stand a substantially better chance of being offered a passport (that will give them legal re-entry into the UK), a gaff and a very generous social welfare rate in Ireland and hopped on a ferry to NI and travelled down South from there.
What really baffles me is the fact that werever you arrive from in Africa, they all appear to wind up, culturally speaking, living in South Central LA. Gangsta rap was a mistake.
I get the feeling a lot of the educated Africans in Ireland, once they get the citizenship here, tend to move to the UK if they can.
I don't think they have all that much loyalty to Ireland or even consider themselves Irish. This is why the gangstas in Balbriggan and Kildare tend to talk like they are from Sarf London ya get me blud.
I have zero evidence to prove this, it's just an opinion based on observations and anecdotal evidence. I expect in the next few years some bright spark will have some statistical evidence to support this.
My point above was that large scale unfethered immigration, i.e. the asylum seekers/refugees, into Europe is going to have drastic consequences in the decades to come.
It's already happening in France, Sweden and Denmark.. so it's likely to happen here soon.
And yes the ones cheerleading it are the very ones that have already fallen under the influence of thinking originating in the US.
Pretty much, and they've embraced the nothing to see here attitude too. A "minority" group is chosen to be championed (for example, African Americans).. disregarding the racism directed by African Americans towards Hispanics and Asians. Once a group is chosen, they can't do any wrong, and won't be held responsible, in any practical manner, for how their own culture has evolved... Instead, the negatives are caused and reinforced by external sources, and the victim mentality is embraced.
We'll see it here in a broader sense when it comes to Black people, although it started decades ago with our Traveller population, but it'll be extended to any non-native (historically/genetically native) group.
TBH When I began to struggle to be specific by using the term Irish or Irish people, that's when I knew that our traditional society had ended. (For those who don't understand the reference, consider Bubblypops posts on what it means to be an Irish person... and just how broad it's become)
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