I don't think that a neighbour to neighbour squabble or a boundary argument was the motive or reason for the murder. If this would have been so, then something else must have happened after the murder, something Sophie has opposed, or might have objected to. Like some construction, or some kind of fence which would have been too much of a change to the area that somebody like Sophie would have had objections against. However the thing is, no major work was carried out after her death. The only thing which seems to have changed is that Alfie and Shirley's house got a new paint job done in a different colour, after the house was sold. Apart from that everything seems the same. Also Sophie's son hasn't changed much around the house, so it would seem.
Yes, and in that photo you can make out what appears to be an older existing fence in the middle of the bushes. So why would you need another fence down there?
Fair enough, but then why didn't he put the fence up after all? How does that explain the posts up by the eastern gable of the house?
Very interesting detail. That's not just an after dinner stroll, (twice). Nothing to be found on Finbar online as far as I can see.
Well 3.9 km;
How do we know it was 4km?
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Yeah she didn't come to speak to them which they noted as unusual. Perhaps there was some agro there about him using the land. What age was the son in 1996?
He also visited the area on the Sunday and passed close enough to Sophie's house to be able to see her inside.
He was walking to Toolmore with his son, a nice 4 km walk on a Sunday.
He did not engage with her.
Even more odd is this recently erected gate (yellow arrow) into Sophie's lawn from the lane which has disappeared in later photos;
Josephine Hellens husband used Sophie's land for grazing animals. Perhaps he put up or was planning to put up a temporary fence to keep animals in. As far as I'm aware Finbar Hellen also identified Sophie's body for the gardai.
It's unlikely the posts were Sophie's doing, if they were we would know about it from Josephine Helen or the handyman who worked for her. So someone else was planning to put up a substantial enough fence, maybe two. But then after the murder they changed their mind. It just seems strange that if the fence was not related to a boundary dispute, and was simply being erected for practical reasons, that it was not subsequently finished.
Could all be innocent, but it seems odd.
Okay. I'm not engaging with this. Mamboozle, I genuinely wish you all the best and a good night's sleep.
Yes I understand that, but the neighbour who owned the land wasn't there at the time. Do we know when they were last there? Was it shortly before Sophie arrived?
If they were trying to send a message to Sophie about their boundary, you would assume they would fence it in such a way that prevented her from parking there? Maybe they did for all we know and the fence posts in the field were removed from the area where her car was parked.
I asked the same question a few pages back and someone said plastering. What is your summary of the fence posts?
Can we just categorically state that cutting pages out of evidence books is a cover up and not malpractice.
"The fence posts are interesting. The ones erected outside the house are in a very strange location, why would anyone put a fence there? Seems totally illogical. "
The fence is on the boundary between Sophie's property and a neighbours.
Sophie's car is actually parked on the neighbour's land.
This is a serious issue, imagine how Ian Bailey and his nearest feel, he didn't understand either and there was no one going to tell him straight.
If you want to find out about the effects of drugs or whatever there is only one way to find out. But don't pretend to know.
I am convinced of nothing. I am simply asking people to consider how the investigators would have reacted if they had been convinced of Alfie's guilt or, if Alfie and Shirley actually were guilty, why the police went to such lengths to conceal it.
The fence posts are interesting. The ones erected outside the house are in a very strange location, why would anyone put a fence there? Seems totally illogical. Why were these posts subsequently removed?
The ones in the field, what were they going to be used for? Though it's hard to see them clearly, they appear fairly new, and probably are considering they haven't been put up yet. But down at that end of the field it doesn't look like there would be any good reason to put up a fence? Maybe the hedge isn't as thick as it appears and the horses that were kept there were getting out? But then why was it not completed afterwards? Is that a gate lying in the field near the posts?
When was this picture taken? There are two fence posts along the hedge but it doesn't look like there is any fence or wire. No gate either.
For me that settles the debate about where the block comes from. There's only one block missing in that video whereas there are two missing in the crime scene photo, which also appears to show the "roof" pried up and bent in order to grab the block.
One more question. Sophie rang her handyman the night she was murdered. Do we know what she was calling him for?
Can you explain what you are trying to say please? I really don't understand you.
I mean man shall not live by bread alone
You seem convinced of their involvement in her death and that they acted alone. One, Lyons presumably, did the killing and Foster helped to destroy the evidence before calling the guards. Can you speculate as to a possible motive? Was there a long running feud over boundary or privacy issues or just a single argument that got out if hand or some more sinister reason possibly related to criminal activity? Shirley Foster is, I presume, still alive and well somewhere but ceased to be a person of interest very soon after the investigation began.
What do you mean?
You squares are out in force.
Bill Fuller. As documented in the official DPP report, a while after the murder, waved down an old woman driving near a beach, had just run from Kilfeadda Bridge because he thought he saw Ian Bailey, terrified he was, with his toddler child under his arm and his wife in tow. Turns out it wasn't Bailey but just a farmer walking by. Fuller later gave a lot of evidence against Bailey, travelled to France for the "" "trial" "" . Features prominently in both recent documentaries.
I'd guess he partakes in more than Alfie's weed supply.
A man consenting to be a sex slave in his 60s? I can easily see that now but not in those days, one reason being that farming is more mechanised
Interesting fact regarding a local Sophie was talking to (and she did have a preference for the older man..)
The urungers, some of the last people to see Sophie alive. One of which spoke to her at great length before she died. Seemingly enough to agree to work a project on. This had a consenting sex slave and the man would have been in his 60s. A cartoonist and farmer and owner of three castle head. Bdsm cartoons and stuff so I guess if it was him if would be a sex motive
that it was a drug fuelled killing has occurred to me often, given the level of violence and lack of sexual assault. (Not necessarily with regard to the people mentioned above.)
The nature of the crime suggests almost a psychotic episode. Especially given the lack of sexual assault.
i wondered whether Sophie herself had taken LSD/mushrooms with whoever it was, and things escalated from there—I read that LSD or Psilocybin won’t show up in an autopsy unless specifically tested for.
Forgetting that aspect, someone/some stranger out of their minds on one of those substances and wandering the west cork countryside makes the scenario of wandering up to Sophie’s house and encountering her there much, much more likely in my opinion. Following which came some sort of confrontation/psychotic breakdown.
this could have been at around 2 am when people heard what they thought was an animal howling.
If whoever it was was having some kind of mental break, this could also explain them remaining on the scene for a good few hours and then speeding away in the car spotted at 7.30 once they came round somewhat and fled the scene?
There may have been more than one involved in the killing. Perhaps it started out as something else but because of language issues and the time she felt threatened 'freaked out' and attacked one of the group?
It is extremely odd to say the least that a new fence is laid out and then abandoned!
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