Private businesses can do what they like.
The issue here is DLR is never done talking about active travel, safe access to school etc and then DLR staff have a big car park exclusively for themselves in Dunlaoghaire.
I presume councillors can use it too or do they have free parking somewhere else.
There are council offices in Dundrum too, minutes from the Luas,is there free parking there too.
I wouldn't have suggested BIK on parking in the first place, it was a stupid idea at the time.
Quite apart from the administrative nightmare it would have been, motorists already pay plenty in taxes, duties, levies etc, and those who have company cars are BIKd appropriately.
Local authorities can do what they like.
They don't have to listen to grumpy sh1tes who think they have all the answers.
I try not to, grim places.
Maybe you should refrain from commentary about what "very few businesses in urban locations" do until you've experienced the grimness?
None of which levels the playing field between those who use employer parking and those who don't. Why should the substantial costs of providing parking be shared by all staff, including those who don't drive?
They aren't shared by all staff, they're provided by the organisation they work for in the same way that any premises are, it doesn't affect their income one cent. Also, those who use public transport can avail of taxsaver incentives on their seasonal tickets and cyclists can apply for the bike to work scheme, using exchequer funding that is, at least in part, raised from motorists. Thats about as level as the playing field is going to get.
"Thats about as level as the playing field is going to get"
You wish.
We can't keep on subsidising freeloading motorists for ever. They're going to have to start paying their own way soon.
I was referring to the city centre and its general surrounds. The reason there is parking available on Pottery Road is because of the space available to companies out there and I suppose they want to incentivise people to work out there.
Which we are you referring to, if a company decides to offer staff parking how is that we?
Well, this isnt true, see Strand Road court decision and precedent it set for Deansgrange Road. See Georges Street back open to traffic again.
You're right, but they (DLRCC) want an extortionate amount of money from the bus companies. That's how much they care about the provision of public transport in the town.
They even blocked the entrance with concrete boulders to prevent buses from turning there. If people think DLRCC hates the motorist, it's nothing compared to the contempt they have for public transport.
And then Andrew says Local Authorities can do what they like.😢😢😢
In decisions on what kind of parking they provide for staff, which is the issue we were discussion, they can absolutely do what they like.
Typo perhaps?
If you want to incentivise people to work out there, maybe try initiatives that reach a much wider, not just the better off. How about a shuttle bus, how about bike facilities and showers. But regardless, your suggestion that employee parking is unique to the public sector is just wrong.
Again you are trotting out this better off guff, anything to back that up?
And how do you know these places on pottery road with car parking dont have showers and bike facilities?
The bike2work scheme isn’t funded. It’s a tax relief that represents a saving of about 100 a year. I don’t see how you think motorists find it , it’s only available to PAYE workers
the tax saver can be worth several thousand a year and is used for public transport where journeys are already subsided.
Sounds pretty well balanced to me Ted.
Considering the conversation is about workplace parking, we are talking about a cohort to whom the bike to work relief is almost universally available.
It seems that all here are in agreement that there is way too much public sector car parking. If there are problems with introducing BIK on it, then probably the next best thing is removing the spaces...for the private sector, perhaps charge companies €1000 per space per annum. For public sector - where they'd just accept that and have the taxpayer pay it, there should be another method, like a (mandatory!!!) directive to remove 75% of spaces if within a city.
how is a tax saver ticket worth several thousand per year?
In fairness, depending on your PAYE tax rate, typical annual savings over retail cost, using the Taxsaver scheme, are between €1,500 and €3,000 to the user.
Companies already pay commercial rates on Parking provided on premises. For parking provided offsight, they pay the owner in leasing and the owner pays Rates on it. In the same question I would ask about motorists, how many times to you want to charge them for the same thing?
maybe so i didnt realise how expensive some of the tickets are, although you would imagine the majority of users are getting the annual rail or bus which is 1,450 or so, tax benefit is only 700 euro on that,
Probably because burns is a cyclists in an position of power which allows him model the roads to suit him, vastly out of touch with the community.
I'd have thought it was fairly self explanatory given the relative costs of buying and operating a bike vs a car. You'd get a decent new bike on the road for just the tax and insurance costs of running a car.
All those charges are shared by the organisation, not paid by the motorists who use the space. What's the resistance to expecting those who use and enjoy the facility to pay something for it?
When did we all agree that? Did we look at the proportion of parking spaces to employees? Did we look at the nature of work carried out by those employees and how many of them visit multiple locations as part of their work?
Whatever BIK we bring in should apply to all, and should be paid by the drivers who use the spaces, not their employer.
Who cares what multiple locations the staff have to visit.
They can buy cargo bikes, walk or get the bus.
End of.
It's not self explanatory at all Andrew, if I'm wearing a rolex and you are wearing a casio can you say that I am better off than you?
There are plenty of my friends cycling around on bikes that cost more than most people's cars, in fact their peripherals probably cost more than a cheap run around.
So just to be clear, you're happy to reduce the productivity of staff just to satisfy your own spite, correct?
Broadly, the answer is probably Yes, if you are wearing a Rolex that you are probably better off. For everyone one of your plenty of friends with expensive bikes, you have ten friends with more expensive cars. And for your friends with the fancy bikes, their car running costs leave their bike running costs in the hal'penny place.
Just look around you, it's not hard to see. Unless you reckon all those Deliveroo cyclists and 3rd level students slip into their Beamers and their Lexii to drive home? Are you really going to base the credibility of your position on this?
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