I don't know, it looks a lot like a fence to me. It could be a temporary one, maybe she planted roses or a hedge and put a fence up to keep animals from eating it.
There's three fence posts clearly visible between the stone wall and the parked car in the first picture.
If you look up the property folios on landdirect.ie the area where the car is parked is not on the same folio as the cottage.
The fence appears to run parallel to the cottage gable and stone wall but this would not match the boundary on on the folio. Could this have been the cause of a disagreement?
Just wondering and this goes to people who would have had local knowledge, did the likes of Alfie or maybe Ian Baikey consume other drugs outside of cannabis eg. LSD, mushrooms that kind of thing ?
There is no fence in the first photograph. What you are looking at is the low stone wall/surround which runs along the front and east side of the property. It appears, in the photo, as if that particular section may have been painted white or else it's directly in sunlight making it appear brighter. It would be an odd place to build a fence. You are right about that.
There’s also no proof that Ian Bailey was involved in any shape or form.
And if there’s no ‘proof’ of a cover up that’s hardly surprising is it? Who exactly is supposed to find this proof? That’s kind of the point when the supposed enforcers of the law take matters into their own hands.
Instead what we have is a beautiful bouquet of evidence to suggest a Garda cover up, much more robust than that which was used to convict Bailey of murder in France.
The first photo is as you say, just after the murder, cordon tape still visible and attack gate still in place.
In the second photo the gate by the pumphouse is gone, and through the gap you can see the attack gate has been replaced by a slightly different gate.
I think the second photo is from the French documentary, so 20 years later about.
Do you think there's any chance IB was enlisted to help "organise" the scene or to dispose of forensically significant items?
That would explain his absence from bed, his possible foreknowledge of the event, and the fire.
So if people can get away from the endless tiresome diversion of did she run here there everywhere through briars and barb wire pursued by a raging bull and come down to planet earth.
You don't have to have a theory about the murder or whether or not there was a cover-up. You may not want to face the fact that Bailey's involvement is fantasy.
Alfie and Shirley are central to the story. They knew more than they were letting on and were allowed to get away with that? Why
Well he doesn't seem to have a clear idea of who the culprit is, if it's not him. A few month's ago he was talking a hitman hired by Sophie's late husband, now it's apparently the deceased Bantry guard. He just seems to be rehashing theories already in the public domain.
I'm skeptical that he knows much more than other people who have written extensively about the case over the years. Has he even been in a position to do proper investigative work on the case since he became 'prime suspect'?
Alfie had the reputation of one of those 'fierce nice' priests before the sex abuse scandal. The poor man was barely able to suck in enough air into his lungs to smoke a spliff.
The English bol*ox Bailey accuses Irish St. Alfie. I don't think so.
If you can turn Ian Bailey into a naked cross-country running Superman lesbian harem-owning dancer surely you can figure out where people who share a laneway might leave evidence of themselves behind.
I would say first photo showing new gate was around time of murder... cordon tape behind in field...
I would say second photo (with no gate!)... Is later as possibly you can see Sophies memorial stone at main gate?
Also new gate puts pump onto public lane ... Where as old gate (in video of sophie walking) puts pump behind gate in garden/field.
That says it all really.
Interesting pictures but it's difficult to know exact dates without a timestamp.
One line I remember from the Sheridan documentary is the detective saying she was killed after a 'prolonged chase'. How long is prolonged is not specified. It is possible it was a hide and seek scenario, if you were running away from someone in the darkness and the path to your neighbour is blocked what would you do? Perhaps try and hide in the bushes. I still find it strange the point at which she got caught on the wire. Was she trying to get over that fence and into the field beyond?
Regarding any theory the Gaurds would go to extreme lengths to cover up for Alfie and Shirley, why would they? Shirley had only moved there from England and Alfie was a retired blow in chef who dabbled in marijuana. Unless you are seriously hinting about a CIA link.
Use your wild imagination
The area where She parked her car is technically owned by the third house (Not Alfies)
Alfie's property doesn't own the land immediately west of her field.
Also her front field is clearly defined by hedges.
So the area to the back of her house and the front are two different parties.
I wonder who was putting up the fencing?
Indeed. Baily is the foremost expert in Ireland on this case..Its a pity he has never been fairly interviewed at any point, either by the Media or Guards. I'm sure he has significant insights.
I'm not suggesting he is innocent of involvement. I don't know if he was or not, but I'm sure he has made a life study of all the supporting characters in this sh1t show, he definitely has more to offer.
35 pages deliberately removed from the evidence book is a cover up.
Including pages relating to MF and how Bailey was identified as suspect. The Guards were unable to explain how MF came to identify Bailey or how his name was introduced into her questioning.
Doesnt mean every Guard was involved in that 'conversion' or tampering with evidence. We also hears on the Bandon tapes pressure being put on another Guard taking Jules statement re: to get a result rather than writing things down honestly.
In this clip (borrowed from Koude Kass) Sophie walkes past the pump house... 2 points.
1. the pump house is located behind a gate therefore ... her pump behind her gate.
2. The pump house appears to have only one block missing. (pumps need an element of ventilation to prevent condensation/rust).
In this photo you can just about see a fence a metre or 2 away from Sophie's Eastern gable;
It's unlikely Sophie would have put that fence there, there's already a low wall there and this fence looks incomplete.
Why would she put a fence between her car and her house like that?
This fence has also disappeared in later photographs.
I'll see if I can find one.
Edit;
Here's one taken much later -no fence!!
The guards did investigate over 50 suspects. They made lots of mistakes, no question, but they did investigate people. Alfie and Shirley were investigated, as were anyone who was known to have worked at the property. Only Ian Bailey has consistently remained as a suspect.
We don't know there was a cover-up, we've never had any proof of a cover-up. We've had evidence of malpractice, that's not a cover-up. MF has given plenty of interviews and has never shut up since the case begin other than to keep this one bit of info to herself. Why not admit it was a guard? Her husband was clearly aware by the early 2000s at least.
Marie Farrell laughed and found it funny to send the guards on a wild goose chase to find the man she was with. A man who may have helped build a case to prosecute the murderer of Sophie. On the Bandon tapes, a detective, who didn't know he was being recorded, spoke to her about trying to find her lover. He mentioned chasing down two leads she gave them. It doesn't add up that they just used her as a cover-up based on those tapes.
But why hasn't IB pointed fingers in that direction?
Fear of reprisal or of damaging his reputation further?
Where did they find Alfie and Shirley`s prints and dna?
agreed - very interesting
This photographic evidence could give credence to the theory that she was running down the lawn toward the gate (yellow arrow) and managed to open it before being caught. I never realised that this particular gate existed. I thought there was just the one - the main (shared) entrance gate to both properties. There is another gate, I think, - not visible here - leading onto adjacent farmland, obscured by the hedge at the bottom of the lawn.
I believe Ian Bailey was a journalist in the 80s. Who was Alfie Lyons?
You're getting there; gate flare-up because of the age old Irish neighbourly feud
That is quite interesting! Did the Guards ever look into who was doing/had organised the fencing that was going on at the time? From the overhead shots there are fence posts lying in the field in front of Sophie's house (the one she possibly fled through), clearly work was being done.
So I'd say from the cover-up we know a member of AGS is involved. We have the Garda from Bantry and the supposed confession. So I'd factor him in. Who was MF with? talk is a local detective.
So then you've to wonder why MF is in the vicinity at 3AM with said detective. There is also a total reluctance to prosecute MF from the state for her lying under oath and being in contempt of court. There is also the fact she paid for her 500k home without a mortgage. Very odd indeed you'd have thought very humble earnings from a small convience shop at that time.
So if you really want to bring all these together with Alfie, your having to suggest a drug growing, smuggling or importing chain.
Alternatively maybe rouge Bantry detective is just a womaniser certainly keeps the storyline more linear. It gets vastly more complicated when Alfies brought in. However maybe there is some sort of shared guilt. Perhaps he introduced the womaniser garda to Sophie to return a favour.
Agreed
Far more like to be an ordinary scenario gone wrong, e.g. gate flare-up, ended relationship, rejected advances.
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