So show us you data that shows the 'reality' that northern Ireland people would choose the UK over the EU?
Seems to me, the only 'real' data, a plebiscite, shows that they made their choice emphatically.
So are there tariffs on many goods produced in the Uk as they move to Eu? I understood there wasn’t but as always I am open to education by you guys
To use your on policy francie. You are the one disagreeing so you post the data 🙂
The Brexit referendum Downcow, an emphatic desire to remain in the EU.
It was the British who partitoned Ireland btw. The Scots must feel a little envious now that NI remains and has access to the single market and they don't. It really is a English dominated union. They call the big shots and the rest of ye have to follow whether you agree or not.
So the UK decided to leave but wants everything to remain the same as it was before Borris got Brexit done? And should take years of negotiating bilateral agreements to get back to (near) where it started before Borris got Brexit done?
It's not a question of UK or EU it's a question of Brexit or UK and EU. UK citizens have been sold a pup and subjected to a bait and switch con in voting for Brexit. The UK is turning its economic clock back decades.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/03/only-yourselves-to-blame-uks-shortages-seen-from-abroad
Serious misunderstanding of what belonging to the union means.
Watch how it all develops over next decade. The Uk has done the Eu a big favour. They will pull their horns in when it comes to pushing the french or the Germans around
Emphatic 😂
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I think you are been too hard on yourself Mr Downcow
Do you think it would be closer now you have gotten a taste of Brexit? We have all seen the collapse in the DUP vote.
We most certainly will. A lot in the EU would agree with you there. You might have a problem if want to rejoin though...well that's if you are still in the UK by then?
Haha. Enjoyed this. Not even a mention of the most precious island in the world. I thought the upholding of the protocol was top of everyone’s agenda 🙂
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West and south Belfast, Foyle, south Down and west Tyrone were pretty emphatic.
Hold up.....when you SIGN UP to join the UK?! Last I checked, it was off the back of a bloody invasion.....we certainly didn't sign up to it.
You couldn't possibly be this f*cking pig headedly ignorant of the subjugation that resulted in Ireland becoming part of the UK?
By all means, you could argue about the nature of the times, and how colonisation and rule of force was the rule that mattered....but you can f*ck right off with your, 'what you sign up to' b*llocks 🤣
Does anyone know if there is any similar protocol for the eurotunnel, like are all the goods passing to and from the UK into the EU being put through the same checks as they get on landing in Ireland?
There is no "protocol" for UK-FR movements. There is just normal border checks.
Are the checks the same as those in Ireland?
No. They're much more onerous.
I think you're missing the glaringly obvious point. Any NI person with a shred of self-respect, if "given a straight ultimatum of UK or EU" would ask "Why in God's name should I have to make that choice? I never had to before. Who is insisting that I should do so now, and why?"
The question being posed to NI is essentially this: "Here's a stick. We already know you don't want either end (because we asked you, and you said so). So now we've gone out of our way to make both ends shittier than they ever needed to be. So, which shîtty end would you like?"
If that's the choice put to NI, it's a choice imposed on them in order to solve an internal political problem of an English political party in a way that appeals to English voters. No self-respecting unionist can pretend to himself that this is anything other than the Tory right playing fast and loose with the union because, basically, they don't care about it; they'll happily hazard it in their pursuit of hard Brexit.
So the answer a confident unionist would give to that question is neither "UK" nor "EU"; it's "I refuse to answer that question; I refuse to accept that you have a right to put it to me; I refuse to support a government or a political movement that would put such a question, or that would allow itself to be forced to answer it. The union is not a bargaining chip."
I've commented before in the more general Brexit thread on the strikingly poor political leadership on all sides of British politics in recent years. That comment must now be extended to at least one side of NI politics. Is there really no unionist leader who will stand up and say "It is not acceptable to treat the union in this fashion? It is not acceptable to rate the union as of lesser importance than hard Brexit. Ulster will have no part in this travesty."
The checks in France are more onerous than the checks in Ireland?
If the NI protocol were properly enacted by the UK would the checks be the same then?
No. The NI protocol requires only the application of a portion of EU law, and so only the checks associated with those rules have to be applied. And, even there, there are various exemptions and relaxations. Plus, there's a process for agreeing further exemptions and streamlinings and so forth. It was never going to be the full set of checks that are applied to goods imported into the EU from other third countries.
Does that apply to both NI and the ROI, or just NI?
Just goods moving from GB to NI. The NI Protocol does not regulate movement of goods into RoI from anywhere, except by providing that there are no customs duties on goods moving between NI and any part of the EU, and no taxes imposed in NI on EU goods except those which are also imposed on NI/UK goods (and vice versa).
But are the checks that are being imposed on GB goods coming into Ireland (The ROI) the same as the checks being imposed on GB goods going into France?
Is there anything to suggest that there is a difference between ROI based checks and French, Dutch or any other EU based checks?
Is there potential to import goods from GB to NI and down to the ROI to save issues with checks and expenses?
NI could have a thriving business there as a go-between if that were the case?
In short, no. Otherwise, you would have a situation which would encourage smuggling, etc.
Preventing that is pretty much the point of the protocol.
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