Absolutely. How these actions, that are even detailed by the DPP for phucks sake, are just shrugged off I can't understand. Was it even considered to go after these Gaurds? I'm not aware that they received any sanctions at all.
"Closed and latched" means locked. The Garda photo shows us the door after an investigator entered the house and left the front door on the latch (unlocked) for ease of access.
"TOWARDS"......not sure what you are implying. Does the article have "towards" in capitals?
No sanctions. Conveniently a dead Garda was found to assign responsibility for being in charge of the evidence.
Many others retired and refused to cooperate with GSOC.
But you know, nothing to see here.
Wondering why is what we can do in this case. Now, 25 years passed, we'll probably never have the answers. Who was Farrell possibly protecting? Telling lies under oath, so we are lead to believe, and also walking out of a courtroom because she doesn't want to answer the judge's question? And if Farrell was coerced then I would automatically be asking myself, why did they chose Farrell for that?
Why would they show you a door on the latch when we all know what one of those looks like?
With all the extra attention this case is now getting is it likely that the evidence that still exists will be reexamined using new techniques? The (as yet unidentified) male DNA blood on Sophie's shoelaces for example, could this yet provide a breakthrough?
I'm capitalising that word as it's clearly not AT or AROUND the house. Why do people continue to insist that some kind of attack happened at the house when it should be beyond doubt now that it all happened at the gate?
Is this Shirley's car:
Yes I think this is Shirleys car. Jim Sheridan even used a similar car at the start of his doc when renenacting the discovery of the body.
Because that was the lock where she left her keys.
How can it beyond doubt when there was blood on the back door, blood in the green area to the front of the house and both doors were locked?
Why would they show you anything if it's going to be after they've changed it?
There was a swipe of blood on the back door from where the killer had tried the handle. Any other negligible amount of blood obviously fell from the killer when they were passing by the back door. Going where?
there's confusion about how much blood was on the ground at the house - with some stating a lot of blood and some saying very little blood; the door handle was clearly a further complication to that
I don't know what a door "on the latch" looks like.
Does it mean it it will lock you out automatically unless you set it on the way out to allow to get back in without a key?
or is that "off the latch"?
Was the Yale lock on the back door on or off the latch?
The crime scene picture of the front door with keys in the lock is on the latch meaning it can be pushed open. That's the point of taking pictures.
It's only confusing if you want to go along with a highly unlikely sequence of events like a struggle at the door and a race down the field/lane.
yes the pictures show that - but one of the Garda on the scene apparently said it was locked ...
so who fcking knows really, the Gards have made a pig's ear of this whole thing
I think people should consider the hypothetical situation that Alfie and Shirley had driven out and were doing something at the gate when Sophie came down in a rage. Something awful happened and we know everything after Alfie called the Guards.
Why then would the Guards steer the investigation away from them?
Hypothetical of course.
in the crime scene photos the door is on the latch - ie the bolt is held open and will not lock the door when pulled shut
BUT, as above, a Garda on the scene stated that the door was locked
Yer man above thinks the Garda have come into the house and put the door on the latch (for ease of entry) and then taken a photo of it -- it seems bonkers but the massive ineptitude of the keystone cops means it's not impossible
As sick of hearing about the door as people might be - I do think it matters because if she pulled the door locked behind her (locking herself out) then, for me, it means she very likely did not leave the house of her own volition to walk down to the gate
I would have thought the point of taking pictures was to point out what position the door was first found in.
I`ve never at any time said that this was a well run investigation. However I think the photo was more about the keys rather than the position of the lock.
Precisely
OK, so you have been harping on about this hypothetical scenario forever. Run the hypothetical scenario past us. Blow by blow. What time of day or night? What route did the attack take? Who did the physical work? Why would the Gaurds cover up for these non local people? You obviously have a good idea of what you think happened.
As they say, pee or get off the pot.
What's your theory?
certainly possible - and there is reporting that backs up your asercion - a Garda said the door was locked
Excellent photo. That gap in the hedging there is interesting. It's difficult to tell on which side of the driveway it is located.
Comparing to other photos of the scene that gap would be at the gateway on the right hand side of the lane leading from the corner of the field onto the laneway. You can make out the pump house beside the gap.
The gate that can be seen slightly lower down is the gate that closes across the laneway. It is in the open position, swung back against the left hand side of the lane as you head away from the house towards the 'main' road.
It's gratifying to get under the skin of anyone from the ABA(anyone but Alfie) crowd. I'll leave the 'blow by blow' humourless, cliched fantasising to you, given how you relish.
I'd like the adults to consider the scenario of 6 or 7 guards/detectives, on maybe Stephen's day '96, looking at each other but not actually saying out loud what each is thinking; it's Alfie and Shirley.
There are then at least 6 or 7 reasons why that story musn't get out.
Well give us 3 or 4 of them.
You aren't bamboozling anyone here, Mam. You know nothing more about this case than any of us here, your theories are guess work the same as ours. You have no special local knowledge or inside information. Yet you choose to hijack the thread with page after page of ' Shirley & Alfie, Shirley and Alfie, Shirley and Alfie....' Yet you cannot put forward a single plausible scenario of how it happened.
Here is that gap, (yellow arrow) it's actually a gate way from Sophie's front lawn beside the pumphouse- the gate closes onto the pumphouse.
It's on the opposite side of the lane to the attack gate (red arrow).
That is a newly hung gate as fresh mortar is visible at the bottom hinge pin.
There are also fence posts strewn around Sophie's lawn, indicating fencing work being done.
My early theory was that this work was being done by someone other than Sophie and was the reason for her travel.
Expecting a confrontation, she asked for someone to accompany her.
Her original intention was to be travelling back that day but unfinished business delayed her .
Maybe this was her unfinished business.
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