There is nothing to fall flat about anymore in our times.
The thing is, in the Toscan du Plantier murder case, we have absolutely no evidence to tie anybody to the murder. Not the unsympathetic Englishman Bailey, not Alfie, not the cheating husband, the hired hitman, the corrupt guard, none.
I think I have written this multiple times here. We only have a couple of theories as to the motive. It's actually a case of gross judicial misconduct on behalf of the French authorities to convict somebody without evidence.
However if we had DNA, or Fingerprint evidence it'll be different, but that's highly unlikely that something comes up at this stage.
I do understand that Drumm. But the Gardaí said the doors were locked. It`s not rocket science to work out what`s happened here. You clearly hadn`t worked it out which is why you raised it in the first place.
It was on the latch. It wasn't locked.
What you are implying is that the Gards entered the house to take crime-scene photos, they then put it on the latch and took a picture of it: you can't put the door on the latch from the outside you can only open it.
This is up there with the photographer taking the pic of the door on the latch, so therefore the door couldn`t have been locked episode.
It fell flat, maybe humour isn't your forte. The whole problem when you look at the sexual obsession/repression thing is that one of the keenest supporters of that theory was Detective Dwyer. Now if one had compared him to Ian Bailey around the time as regards the likelihood of 'success' in this area, who do you think would have come a distant second?
That kind of realisation can inspire deep animosity.
No one has anything to fear from the bonkers and farcical...
When we start getting close to the truth...
Me neither, this scenario was meant as a joke.
Just mention Alfie they descend
Sophie was on the phone with ex-husband until near midnight? I can't see Alfie calling round at that late hour to have that kind of discussion.
This thread is BONKERS and has been for a long while with people coming up up with farcical stuff.
Surprised it is still open.
The sexual motive "obsession" would fall into the idea, "if I can't have her, nobody can". This kind of motive comes up often in killings with a certain passion behind it. That would or may also imply a certain likelihood that both Sophie and the killer were acquainted, or may have had a sexual relationship before, how short it may have been. Bruno in France would fall into this category also his alibi isn't that credible in my mind, but that relationship ended quite a while before the murder.
The known facts are way to loose. Of course one can say, Sophie met Alfie, they discussed about the boundary of their property and whether the gate should be open or closed. They had a comfortable walk from her house to the gate, the conversation turned into an argument and Alfie took the next best rock which happens to be a block sitting on the roof of that pump house and based Sophie's head in. Alfie then went back to Sophie's touched the door with his bloody hand, and washed himself up, or possibly took one last bath in Sophie's bathtub and then went home to Shirley as if nothing happened...... They had whiskey, smoked a bit of cannabis and then went to bed, and had a deep sleep, thus they didn't hear anything that night. This scenario is more like a joke, than a realistic speculation.
If he was a jack the lad he wouldn,t be repressed IMO...
Interesting points.
But why would a jack-the-lad who tries it on with lots of women react so badly to this rejection?
As alluded to in my other post, I think there needs to be more to it. Either the perp was obsessed with Sophie OR if involvement with Sophie came to light they would have more at stake (marriage-home-kids-job).
The person could have known she was there if they lived in the immediate locality also.
Hasn't been confirmed about pregnancy afaik.
You seem unsure yourself of your understanding of the concepts involved... so seems a bit premature to say that.
Bailey seems the opposite of repressed to me. But maybe I don't understand it either.
For that kind of angle, I'd have expected not someone in a relationship, not someone with lots of previous flames and previous rejections like Bailey, but someone who would obsess over the victim and build them up into projecting some sort of ideal life together.
It would have been more helpful if Dr Gatherias had provided a profile of a suspect.
One more thing ... (just to keep ye all going for another week..."he,he,he")
I don't see any large clumps of briars in Sophies front garden that she (or anyone else) would have had to run thru?
Correct me if I'm wrong..
I am inclined to think that if the murder was really not premeditated, then the motive would most likely have been something sexual in nature and to a high degree have involved someone who lived somewhat locally on that peninsula, somebody whom she may have met before, somebody whom she may have either slept with once, or given "some ideas" of something in the future.... The murderer either hiked or drove to Sophie's house with a hard on, knocked at her door, they exchanged a few nice-to-see-you-how-have-you-beens, as he made advances she rejected him and he killed her by accident in an argument as things had gotten out of hand. The men in question would have been, as far as I have understood:
The only difficulty finding answers to is how did any of these guys know that she was staying at her house at that time of the year? How did the killer know that she was alone that night, or travelling alone? If this was all the case, then there must have been some form of contact phone call / e-mail with one of these men before the trip? Or she met somebody she knew while travelling from Cork airport to her house, who came to visit her during that fateful night.
Also, is it confirmed that Sophie was really in the early stages of pregnancy? I'd say anybody who would have had an intention to sleep with her that night, would have accepted the rejection by Sophie if she said she was pregnant.
Isn't it fair to say the I.B's Attacks on his partner were not repressed sexual aggression? ....... any psychologists in the house ?
I'd say the good Dr Gatherias is a victim of repressed bullshittery.....
Just noticed same picture but spot the differences...
A rage focused specifically towards Sophie? Or aren't they often the hallmarks of a serial assailant?
I know this photo has been seen a thousand times .... but it tells us a bit..
If you zoom in the pump house looks very close to the murder scene...
Possibly Alphies car (if thats it) is left outside and not let back in....is that him?
The shed originally belonged to sophie's property as the door faces her house...
Fences appear to be everywhere for what was portrayed to be to be a mixed combination of owned lands... looks like a new green wire roll beside the car...
Dr Gatherias, who works for the French judicial police, said Sophie was the victim of “a repressed, destructive sexual rage”.
With the many different angles of this murder, and the many potential suspects, and the many bizarre characters around the locality...
How on earth was Bailey elevated to prime suspect??
Seriously like....
What of glove fibers? Surely some would have been left. Come to think of it most Irishmen don't/didn't normally use gloves then even in winter.
any photos i seen of her i never thought she was overly attractive. then again as they say its in the eye of the beholder...
I know that I as a 'young buck' certainly would have noticed sophie...
being Young, impressionable, imaginative, hormones overflowing, strong, impulsive...
Na just stating facts. To which you haven't got a better response 🤷♀️
You are blowing steam
I've noticed several comments by a poster who vigorously espouses common sense but then goes on to assume the murder was premeditated.
Obviously the murder may or may not have been premeditated (I'm leaning against)
Obviously the perpetrator may have walked or driven
No skin cells on a rough block? fair enough but what about glove fibres??
The use of a concrete block may indicate, not a strong person, but a person who required such an object to ensure death? (why assume it was held high, it could have been dropped from waist height)
I'm interested in the "young buck" theory put forward earlier - a very dangerous individual but with no history yet.
It's not about the price one can afford, it's more what you get for it. Deciding where to buy are very personal choices. Out there you're often paying Mercedes-Benz prices for a Fiat, and the only value would be that one "loves" the Fiat more than the Mercedes Benz.
I do understand why one would like the South West of Ireland as the countryside is very beautiful, but if it was my choice, a place like Bantry, Skibereen, Clonaklty or Kinsale would have been the choice. These things are often a question of practicality. A supermarket, a bank, a pharmacy, a post office, a pub within walking distance would be my requirement to put a value to the price paid for a property. That's what I meant by that statement.
Out there where Sophie bought one is only paying to be on that peninsula and nothing more.
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