It would seem likely that the murderer took the block very close from the murder scene, quite possibly from that pump house. It could however also be possible that the murderer brought the block with him, to make sure, he had the right one, and doesn't have to look around too long. We don't really know that one.
I think we can be fairly confident that the murderer didn’t take the block with him.
Thanks, hadn't seen that picture before, the other picture makes it look like a solid block. It's pretty certain it came from the gap in the pumphouse wall then.
I wouldn't assume anything which isn't proven. If he came by car that it's not that impossible. If I or you or anybody else here in this forum would have done it, how would we have done it? What would we make sure that was there, close by, that could be the murder weapon?
Looking at the block and the blood all over, it looks as if the murderer had at least his hands full of blood. The question would be where did he wash his hands then? All the things we don't know.
The whole cavity block angle is bizarre unless it had been moved already for innocuous reasons to the gate.
Or, who would be going around with cavity blocks in their vehicle? But you'd think even the keystone cops would spot tracks of a work truck.
Maybe it was kept on top of the pump house felt roof to stop it blowing off.
Which statements are you referring to?
Somebody who was planning a murder and it would only have been one block. But then, who says the murder was planned? And if he didn't drive he hiked, but he must have known that something was there which could be picked up and used to kill Sophie.
Maybe the block was taken from the pumphouse earlier, I mean weeks or months,
as part of the ongoing feud about the gate being open/closed.
It could have been used to keep the gate open as a message to Sophie, and ruining her pumphouse into the bargain.
Which could have been her reason to travel, fearing a confrontation she asked for company on the trip.
There appeared to have been plenty other rocks and blocks around there.
I'll humour you. Deal with one at a time.
"In the questionnaire dated 14 January 1997 question 9 is as follows "Did you know the deceased and if so how did you know her, when did you last see her?" A line is drawn through the area provided for an answer and the word “No” is written there. Bailey has steadfastly maintained that he did not know Sophie Toscan du Plantier on a personal basis."
But Alfie says he introduced him to Sophie, said it in court during the libel trial. He went along with the narrative that IB is very devious,that maybe he should be charged with murder, but in this case Bailey had no benefit in lying. So my simple powers of deduction lead me to believe that Alfie is lying, about this and a lot more.
Tell you what Jim. You stop quoting me which tags me, and I'll do likewise.
I'll decide for myself what other posts that quote me I'll respond to, feel free to ignore my response.
Alfie says he's 90% certain he introduced them. Which isn't certain at all. If it's a lie it's a qualified lie. I get the impression Alfie was stoned long enough not to fully trust his memory. I also feel he was no big fan of the cops. People often make mistakes under police questioning. Maybe he believed it. I don't know. By certain accounts he wasn't in the best of health.
Yvonne Ungerer got her times all wrong. And she said Sophie made vague plans to meet again within the next 3 days, when she wasn't even going to be in the country for 3 days.
People make mistakes under questioning.
And by the way, I responded to your question. I am the one humouring you.
Anyway you look at it, it is strange.
If the block had been at the gate before the murder, wouldn't the neighbours who use the gate have commented, well a block has changed position \ it was the block used to prop the gate open. But I've never seen that reported anywhere - very strange.
If the block wasn't at the gate before the murder...
Someone brought it with them - a very strange act, unless it was normal as part of their work to have blocks in their vehicle.
Or, despite other rocks and stones in the vicinity, the perpetrator went up to the water pump and took this particular block to deliver the coup de grace to a presumably prone victim - a very strange act.
Not superior no.
I am afaik the only person in this thread who knew Alfie and Shirley, and met IB at their house 4 months before Sophie was murdered which gives me a unique insight.
Certainly doesn't mean I know the guilty party, but I do know how the AGS conducted some of their initial investigation.
You do not have to read my posts.
It could also depend on what is meant by 'to know' someone.
The dictionary definition of 'to know' is:
have developed a relationship with (someone) through meeting and spending time with them; be familiar or friendly with.
Whether Bailey was or wasn't briefly introduced to Sophie by Alfie, he did not 'know her' on the basis of that.
In the last two days you told tinytobe that since Alfie said he didn't hear anything on the night of the murder, it should be accepted as fact and get over him or herself. How come you're so sure of his bona fides in that case whereas when he's sloppily helping to put someone in the frame for murder it's because he's that stoned he can hardly remember his own name?
Maybe you can answer that or maybe you can apologise to someone and say actually I talk a lot of sh*te sometimes.
He wasn't briefly introduced to her.
Tinytobe can repeat that he/she finds it strange that Alfie and Shirley didn't hear anything 10,000 more times, but it won't change anything.
You on the other hand constantly repeat this very twisted logic that because Ian and Jules were treated badly then Alfie and Shirley should have been treated badly too. As if that would help anything.
With regard to talking shyte, perhaps you remember a post you made a few nights ago, something about : If there was a competition for best cottage in the world you would put money on Sophie's cottage winning it.
I felt you were more Boozle than Mam when I read that.
Couldn't the mortar be on the other side of the block?
As the pumphouse appears to be the only construction missing blocks in the vicinity I'd presume it came from there...
Lets move on.....
Theory...
A Mrs Robinson angle,,,,,, Local young buck heard all about this foreign free living, cosmopolitan...
Friendliness mistaken for interest,.....Infatuation leads to obsession..
Rejection leads to rage.....
which gives me a unique insight.
LOL
Is that the same questionnaire where Honest Ian said he was in bed all night on the night of the murder?
Like this suspect the Gardai professed to not know about ...
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922022#Comment_117922022
if you are going to make claims you should be prepared to back them up. I could say i have a source too and could make any claims i wish about it. Unless backed up it means nothing more than internet rumour
Looking at that picture of the cavity block it's hard to believe that some skin cells weren't left on it by the killer.
Unless of course they were using gloves but they might leave fibers.
Is the block still around?
Oh I'm sorry, didn't realise you were the creator of all interweb rules.
Do excuse me.
Or, yknow, just ignore my comments and realise that people don't need to bow down to your imaginary rules, and it doesn't make them liars.
If I know someone who has information that isn't in the public domain, which i do, do you really think I'm going to announce the Where's and whys on a forum?
Have a word with yourself.
Most of what ScoobySna said was in an Indo piece that claimed it had access to the statement. The only thing that wasn`t in the article is that Sophie thought it was Alfie that was using the bath.
I'll help you. It's not a cottage. It isn't far off a mansion in that part of the world. The lady that had it as a holiday home, who frequented a society that most people couldn't begin to describe, just wouldn't have been given to calling up the road to the dopers to see how they were getting on and shake hands with their mates.
There's no twisted logic. It's what investigators do or are meant to. If you only remember percentages of things I'm only going to believe percentages of what you tell me.
The Indo article I read didnt say anything about keeping newspaper cuttings.
They didnt know who used the bath or exactly for sure how they got in but noticed a window open.
They considered setting a trap but Sophie changed the locks instead and that seemed to be the end of that concern - which was 3 years previous to the murder.
So this is a very different take on it... maybe Alfie wasnt mentioned by name due to legal concerns if he was still alive.
Read the DPP's report, it's time to move on from children's books by the likes of Michael Sheridan or Nick Foster
Gloves. It's how I believe the blood mark was on the back door when the handle was tried. The killer wouldn't have thought of it until it was too late.
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