Your point may be true but irrelevant.
Saul may have been responsible for persecution of Christians, but the good work he did after repenting on the road to Damascus was the key thing in his life. Mairia Cahill has repented for her support of paramilitary action, Mary-Lou has not. The distinction is obvious.
I've repeated myself often enough, my point is quite clear and indisputably true regardless of the multiple attempts to deflect.
So the GFA is meaningless? So much for the peace process.
FYI: MLMD supported it.
"SINN Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has said the IRA's campaign was "justified" and there is "every chance" she would have taken up arms during the Troubles.
Ms McDonald also defended her attendance at events commemorating those involved in IRA violence."
As I said, Mary-Lou has not repented for her support of paramilitary action.
Read what I post, not what you think I post.
She's no business being in Sinn Fein if she thinks any differently IMO.
You are confusing your opinion of the IRA with everyone elses. Like all conflicts and armed struggles there are abhorrent and regretful actions. It's a sad reality. I'd no more expect her to disown those who fought in the troubles than Boris Johnson disown the BA or Charlie Flanagan disown the Black and Tans.
You need to accept the realities of war, recognise the GFA and move on.
She should apologise for her connection to Fianna Fail 😀
do you believe the Easter Rising was justified blanch152, or are you with the John Bruton school of thought?
As Provisional Sinn Fein had nothing to do with the Easter Rising I am not sure what the relevance here is?
Are you going to ask next if WW2 was justified?
Likely referencing the difference between paramilitaries people like and don't like. Would FF disown DeValera or FG disown Collins, (even if they've more of an idealogical link to Mosley)?
Deflect? This entire little rendezvous has been a direct response to your statement saying I was
Implying that Mairia Chaill has deeper links to paramilitarism than Mary-Lou.
Once more, the typo is yours....I'm quoting directly.
If my point is true, why did you argue against it would be the obvious question.
Sinn Fein, blow your legs off and then treat you in a prefab. Nice.
He assures me that they are the nicest prefabs he has ever seen. Real quality now.
He is willing to pay up to 70k for qualified hospital consultants too. They will be queueing around the prefab block I'm sure
Like the modular homes they were thinking of using some years ago or like these ones?
Harris insists hospital prefabs are just a temporary way to add beds
He actually said an expanded use of the ones already being used to tackle the bed shortage. They spoke with staff, Reid and consultants. There's plans to extend some brick and mortar wards too.
We could continue to do nothing I suppose.
Anyway, sorry to take the IRA thread off topic :)
Wow, deflect onto FG, what a surprise!!!
What has that got to do with the subject of this thread - the SF that was formed during the Troubles?
Deflect? I'm showing SF are planning on using the same pre modular builds already in use in hospitals.
Do you think you saying 'deflect' changes that? The silly shinner idea is building on a silly FG one :)
Any link to this interview instead of you trickling information?
What SF should realise is most hospitals don’t need prefabs, they need consultants and nurses etc. Something you can’t magic up
Plus if they didn’t get loads of consultants, they are the enemy according to SF, people who are not “paying their fair share” to keep the people on the dole rolling in it. So the plan for SF is to tax the cr*p out of these people. The HSE pay scale is freely available and all consultants are going to be hit
So yes build all the prefabs you want lads, they will be an expensive empty space because you have no staff to work in them. Even keeping the same staff you have will be a struggle as a SF led government have now decided to significantly reduce their wages.
The HSE pay scale is available online, double the 70k and close to what a consultant is on according to it
if he think he can hire consultant for 70k he is sadly mistaken plus he will also be breaking the HSE agreement with staff and expect the entire HSE to go on strike.
If he really doesn’t even know the HSE pay scale then seriously what is he doing?
It's a simple enough question, but you can refuse to answer if you so wish.
The leader of Sinn Fein, a party who have signed up to the Good Friday Agreement, after talks with many different people,. including the British, Irish and American governments persuaded the IRA to cease all operations, decommission it's weapons and try achieve its aims by peaceful means rather than with an armed campaign.
McDonald thinks the actions of that armed guerilla army calling themselves the IRA were justified up until then, namely waging an armed campaign of resistance against British occupation, which they viewed as occupying their land.
Do you think the actions of the group of people, who also formed a geurilla army calling themselves the IRA, and had an armed uprising/rebellion against the British occupation at the time of the 1916 rising were justified?
You are of course entirely free to evade/dodge/refuse to answer that simple question if you wish, I (and others reading the thread) will then be equally entirely free to form our own conclusions on why you would refuse to answer.
Mind you after your interaction with the poster called Fionn yesterday afternoon, and the "you may be right" post, you've shown yourself to have scant regard for having self awareness when you're indulging in republican bashing.
You should be aware that you don’t have to be a PSF supporter to be a republican.
Are you trying to convince yourself, or me?
Sinn Fein do not own republicanism, I could've told you that 30 years ago as a young lad, at IRA commemorations with my father and grandfather, both of whom were there in official/formal capacities as a Fianna Fail representatives of their local branch.
I assume you think the Rising was justified?
Any chance you could address this, @blanch152
Quite confused about how you can accuse me of deflection when I directly responded to your accusation which you later acknowledged I was correct about. It's almost like a schoolyard, 'I'm rubber, you're glue' type of nonsense when I called out your constant attempts to deflect away from the core point you argued against when it became incredibly clear that you were wrong.
Also would really like to know why you spent so long arguing the opposite if you think my point was true?
"Do you think the actions of the group of people, who also formed a geurilla army calling themselves the IRA, and had an armed uprising/rebellion against the British occupation at the time of the 1916 rising were justified?"
No 'group of people' in 1916 called themselves the IRA. Think you may be confused with the Irish Republican Brotherhood' IRB.
You are of course correct, and my post should have read the group calling themselves the IRA in the years following the Rising.
It's a minor but relevant detail, but the prevailing point remains and is still unanswered.
The 'Sinn Fein that was formed during the troubles' is essentially the same Sinn Fein as existed before the troubles. The term Provisional is one coined by the media to distinguish it from the 'Official Sinn Fein' later to become the Worker's Party.
Ironically the issue that caused this particular split was the policy of 'abstensionism' from the Dail, since dropped by Sinn Fein.
they called themselves the provisional Sinn Fein and the provisional IRA, was nothing to do with the media
Nothing to do with The media (press), really?
"The leadership faction of the party was referred to as Sinn Féin (Gardiner Place) – the offices of Sinn Féin for many years – and the other as Sinn Féin (Kevin Street), the location of the opposing offices.[69] Both Goulding's IRA faction and Mac Stíofáin's group called themselves the IRA. At the end of 1970 then, the terms 'Official IRA' and 'Regular IRA' were introduced by the press to differentiate Goulding's 'Officials' from Mac Stíofáin's 'Provisionals'."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sinn_F%C3%A9in#1969%E2%80%931974,_the_onset_of_the_Troubles_and_the_Official/Provisional_split
Yes
Presumably the Sinn Fein that really can trace it's origins back too 1912 is the party that doesn't even use the name anymore? But this thread isn't about The Worker's Party.
Here you go. Now you can spin nonsense based on actual things you heard.
This is very interesting. We've you trying to link Mary Lou McDonald to the nazis and the other tag team arguing that their links don't go back that far because they want FF and FG, (fascists at the time ironically) to have ownership of the paramilitaries and terrorists they like.
All nothing to do with current affairs but funny to watch.
Glad you find it interesting. History is an interesting subject, people often use it when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't.
