baseless, speculative crap.
A lot of that here
Try to address the part of my post that deals with specifics which are on record rather than giving us your version of an investigation which is definitely not on record.
Alfie Lyons' 90% recollection of introducing Ian Bailey to Sophie was very damaging to Ian who was being accused of murder. That leads me to consider that if he was happy to say something like that without being certain he's a suspicious character. Especially since Ian Bailey is far more credible in this instance.
The same applies to Shirley's sighting of Ian on the laneway to her house.
They would have been highly unreliable witnesses. To put it mildly. Lots of people here can see that and wonder why.
I also find it odd that nothing was heard that night. For the record the weather for Cork that night was temp 3-4C, wind speed 20 to 25 mph and from the East/N East not a gale. It was reported that 'neighbours' heard fox screams.
Ok I see what you were replying to now. Still it is a fact Alfie was breaking the law re drugs. And how how does meeting IB once make Bannasidhe an expert on IB
Sweetest divine.
I am an expert on the conversation about Sophie that IB was part of that took place by Alfie's bbq in Aug 1996.
Because I was also part of the conversation. And when I heard the AGS were asked people about that conversation I wrote down what I remembered.
And I still have those notes.
That's it.
And I have never claimed otherwise.
I don't know anything about them. Sorry. I knew Alfie through work and my then in-laws who were long standing friends of his, and had a house in different part of West Cork.
My connection is foodie crowd not Scull locals.
Well you seem to be implying that involvement in any illegal activity, no matter how 'minor', makes it significantly more likely that Alfie was somehow implicated in Sophie's death. I'm saying that if growing small amounts of cannabis for his own personal use was the full extent of Alfie's involvement in 'drugs', that in my eyes is a 'crime' on a par with minor traffic offences or fare dodging and extremely unlikely to have any connection to such a brutal murder.
oh you mean quoting. i thought maybe tagged as in fb which i don't know how to
There is actually plenty of evidence in Josie Hellens statements about Alfie,stating that Sophie complained about the noise and "carry on" from his house, that her and Sophie were going to set a trap next time Alfie broke in to use the bath etc (how they both concluded it was Alfie I don't know but they did), and Sophie asked her to keep newspaper cuttings when he got drug raided for her.
Have you seen the statement or what is your source that Sophie and JH were going to set a trap and about keeping news cuttings of drug raids?
You just tagged me by quoting me.
how does one tag someone here?
As I said, we don't know. I don't think I am pointing at any particular suspect. I don't expect that the murderer will be found or known, as said, unless there is some new compelling evidence which turns up 25 years later, or there is a deathbed confession.
Yes, I find it strange that Alfie and Shirley didn't hear anything or notice anything at all.
And yes, I find it possible that a strong westerly wind that night could have carried the noise all the way to the other side, away from their house.
no it doesn't. Don't see why you bring fare dodging or red lights in to it. Strawman. B said she is and expert on IB. She said I met IB in 1996 at their house. I am an expert on that.
I met IB in 1996 at their house. I am an expert on that.
in what sense is Bannasidhe an expert on IB?
Hi Bannasidhe,
I accept you have local knowledge , can yo tell us what you know about the Hellen family They appear to have gone under the radar abit. As one of the only other households within walking distance of Sophie and with both social and business dealings with Sophie I deem them to warrant as much Scrutiny/attention as anyone else having been in contact that weekend.... of course with the full presumption of innocence like all others discussed on this forum.
Just to add, I already said when first asked some weeks ago (when I was last in this thread) that I know absolutely nothing about Leo Bolger. Never heard of him.
She was shocked they thought it was IB. Apart from that she had no idea.
I responded because I was tagged.
You, yourself tagged me at least twice.
If you are not interested in what I have to say don't tag me.
And if all I'm going to get is abuse then don't bother reading my posts either.
That goes for all of you who play let's tag Bannasidhe then get snarky if she says she thinks you are full of baseless, speculative crap.
Same goes for fare-dodging on the Dart or breaking a red light. The question for thisn thread is whether that 'crime', if that is as far as Alfie's involvement in 'drugs' went, is remotely likely to be connected to STDP's death.
Again, you say it is very strange that
Alfie and Shirley heard absolutely nothing that night, as Sophie would have been scared.
Yet you have acknowledged more than once that it's entirely possible they just didn't hear anything. It's not really that strange.
If they did hear something then their statements to the police were false and they are immediately implicated in the murder, either as accessories after the fact or worse.
You can't just keep posting this stuff and then pretend you're not pointing the finger at anyone.
All the blood samples found were matched to Sophie. Apart from the sample found in later reanalysis on the boot that was identified only as male - sample not enough to identify an individual though could be wrong on that.
But I havent heard about what fingerprints were found in the cottage and whether they were all identified. You would expect at least to find Sophies, the housekeepers and the plumber.
I do like the theory that a gentleman caller spent the night at Sophie's.
Half way through the night Sophie realizes this guy is a big mistake but has to gracefully see 'the date' through until his morning departure. Happens all the time with one night stands. The guy is parked down below the gate. In the morning she decides to walk him down to the gate. He is like "great night, let's do it again sometime". She tell him straight it won't be happening again. He takes this news very very badly.......
It explains Sophie's attire and the blood around the door as he might have gone back to clear away obvious traces of him ever being in the house.
It has been said already on this thread that no DNA or fingerprints were found at the scene or the house. That if true is very odd, surely some belong to those that would have there regularly including Sophies.
well said. Lots of people with 'evidence' here who really know nothing. It is fact that Alfie and Leo were both breaking the law re drugs.
an expert on meeting IB.? How long did you have to study.? You also claim several times that because your friend could not find the house it was hard to find. You said it was legal in some countries to grow drugs for personal use. That means nothing, it is not legal here and was not legal when Alfie did it
Has your source seen and read the statement ? The Indo article claims to have seen the statement and quotes Josephine Hellen.....
"As regards friends in this area, apart from ourselves and her two neighbours living near her, and the odd workman coming to the house, she was not friendly with anybody else."
That suggests that Sophie was on good terms with Alfie and Shirley.
Locks were changed after intruder at du Plantier house, said housekeeper - Independent.ie
There is actually plenty of evidence in Josie Hellens statements about Alfie, stating that Sophie complained about the noise and "carry on" from his house, that her and Sophie were going to set a trap next time Alfie broke in to use the bath etc (how they both concluded it was Alfie I don't know but they did), and Sophie asked her to keep newspaper cuttings when he got drug raided for her.
I'm entirely objective concerning Alfie, and don't think he committed the murder, but it's impossible having heard about the statement contents (from a source close to the case) to not think something was going on and perhaps its connected in some way.
As written before, there is absolutely no need for language like that.
We all myself included don't know what happened, we myself included could all be right or wrong here. We were all not there that night, we've all seen nothing.
There is very very little evidence in this case. There are also no fingerprints, no DNA, no hair, no fiber of clothes, we don't even have a time of death or an approximate time of death. None of the people mentioned here can be tied to the murder scene.
This naturally leads to speculation, if that is more around motive, or ability to do it doesn't matter.
The only thing we can be certain of, is that the Guards did a pretty bad job on this. Especially in the case of this ex British Army soldier or Marie Farrell apparently seen something.
If one doesn't have the facts or wasn't there then the view is certainly different, than if one has facts or a bit of facts. I've never met Shirley personally, nor am I implying that she did it, or that Jules did it.
However judging from the point of a layman myself a lot of things sound strange or cry out for some further consideration:
To me it just sounds strange that:
There are many odd aspects to this case and instead of accusing anyone of this murder the discussion is best steered towards developing a scenario that explains the situation in line with the known facts. Some of these scenarios may 'fit' some people(s) better than others.
Bannasidhe what is Shirley's theory on who murdered Sophie and what happened that night/morning?
You've mentioned him a number of times, making out that he was a blowhard which is reasonable but I dont often see you defending him. When it comes to Alfie Lyons or Shirley Foster though, you're like a bat out of hell. In fact, that's the only thing that results in you usually posting on this thread. Anytime anyone starts looking towards STDP neighbours. Interesting to say the least.
Im not outraged & have not aimed any personal digs at you but you seem well able to be extremely condescending & sarcastic towards other peoples posts on the basis that you claim to know of Alfie Lyons & all the issues around this case. I see you didnt answer my question on how you know them though?
So are you denying that Alfie Lyons wasnt arrested in relation to drug issues on his property? Are you denying he wasnt close to Leo Bolger, who was proven to have one of the most sophisticated drug operations in Cork a few years after STDP murder? Are you denying that it was unusual alfie or shirley didnt hear a peep that night on one of the most horrific murders in modern Irish History?
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