Mairia Cahill has moved away and says she deeply regrets it. Today Mary lou is still wrapped up in the middle of it all and doesn't condemn one bit of it. I haven't seen anyone on here say Mairia had no links to PIRA and dissidents.
We had a pope who was a Nazi. I don't understand the point? should we not of had him because years before he was a Nazi?
I am struggling to see your logic, on one case you want to condemn a woman who has moved totally away from PIRA/dissidents and apologised. Then you want to praise a women who is still in the middle of it and has no intention of every saying a bad word against it.
Even fully accepting that she deeply regrets it, she was still a member of a paramilitary organisation.....her family were still fundamental in the formation of the PIRA and many were high ranking members.
What sort of topsy-turvy world do you live in where that is LESS of a connection to paramilitarism than, 'didn't actively condemn someone for shouting a slogan supporting said paramilitary organisation'!??
I've no hate for Máiría Cahill, I'm deeply sympathetic of what happened to her, but I'm sick to death of the absolutely disingenuous posts trotting her out to weaponise her victimhood.
And it is STILL an indisputable fact that she has more of a link to paramilitarism than Mary Lou ever had.
You'd hardly describe a former Nazi, who's great Uncle was fundamental to setting up the Nazi party and had recruiter Hitler into the party.....but deeply regretted what they did had NO link to Nazism, would you?
No. I compared the two, and said at least the IRA never claimed to be part of the state. It was a broader point following on from Mark O'Daly holding the IRA to a different standard than other armed forces.
You brought in the entire topic of rape because FG's connection to dissidents was mentioned.
I am not dismissing the abuse of women in the armed services, I completely condemn it. You are just introducing it as a "look over there" response to criticism of Sinn Fein. Pathetically obvious ruse to avoid the issue.
I only know about the broom handles up backsides, cigarettes out on eyelids, beatings and abductions. Oh and the murders.
So ordinary civilians is were you draw the moral line? It's all abhorrent. Dismissing the abuse of women in the armed services fits in well with FF/FG alright.
I'm sure the victims don't see a difference in the crime. It was 'very wrong' was it? Good of you.
Can you elaborate on the difference, is it just because one is connected to Sinn Fein? Is your point that women in the armed forces shouldn't expect to feel secure and safe among colleagues and superiors? The question is, why are you making the distinction between women abused in the armed forces and women abused in civilian life? It's amazing what some will spout to try get a dig in.
As posted above, Mairia Cahill has come out already and says she deeply regrets her involvement.
Mary Lou is involved in SF and has she said anything? she wouldn't even condemn on TV the TD shouting "Up da Ra", she lied on TV to cover up for a TD who had made claims against a man who was murdered.
Mary Lou has the power to move on from Gerry Adams, yet at every opportunity she drags him back in. That confirms she fully supports him and his actions.
Maybe its time to stop pointing the finger and hate at Mairia Cahill and look at what is going on in SF
100% worthy of condemnation. An entirely despicable affair......but I wasn't responding to a post regarding Gerry Adams horrible treatment of his niece nor did I say anything to suggest SF couldn't or shouldn't have done much more for Máiría Cahill.
Nor did I blame her for getting raped - I've repeatedly stated that she is a victim, so I've no idea where you're going with that.
This doesn't change the accuracy of my statement, Máiría Cahill has deeper links to paramilitarism than Mary Lou.....no matter how much faux indignance Blanch presents, it is a matter of historic fact. The fact that she is also a victim of a horrific crime, and appears to have had pretty awful support when it comes to receiving justice doesn't just magically make it untrue.
Oh for the love of God, Maira Cahill is of Republican Royalty for God sake, so hardcore she actually went the dissident route after the peace process.
You have let your absolute Sinn Fein obsession make a fool of yourself now coming out with that utter nonsense post.
Lets not forget Mary Lou rolls out Gerry Adams at every chance possible. This is a man who took a legal case against his own niece so she wouldn't go to the press about his brother raping her. Also confirming that Gerry knew all along and instead of protecting his niece, protected the man raping her. Mary Lou was second in command of Sinn Fein when Gerry was taking out this case so she knew all about it.
Also Gerry best response to the Mairia Cahill accusations was along the lines of "sure it was a member of her family". So a member of her family should be allowed rape her?
Mary Lou has never condemned Gerry Adams or anyone in SF or the PIRA for that carry on. She also has no issues with any of the bombs etc the PIRA with the help of SF carried out, instead revels in them. I know some people seem to hate Mairia Cahill because she went up against the PIRA but the lady was raped. Instead of blaming her maybe you should ask what the hell SF are doing about it?
I'm aware she has renounced her links to dissidents.....that doesn't whitewash away the fact that she WAS part of a paramilitary organisation, nor does it change the fact that her immediate family is steeped in paramilitarism.
No matter how much you try to swing it, those are connections.
Mary Lou shared an opinion, that isn't a connection.
If I said that I think the USA were correct to join WWII, you'd hardly say I had US Military connections now, would you? (Note I am not drawing a moral equivalence between the PIRA campaign and WWII before you try rushing to deflect into that).
It still remains an undisputable fact that Máiría Cahill is steeped with much more paramilitary connection on a personal level than Mary Lou has ever been.
I never claimed I had no knowledge of it. I suggest you read the thread
Did the Irish Army kneecap ordinary Irish citizens?
Did the Irish Army protect any of its members who raped and sexually abused ordinary civilians?
You are mixing up what happened within the ranks (which was very wrong, but is common to many similar organisations) and the way that the PIRA terrorised its own community.
She doesn't - Mairia Cahill has renounced her links to dissidents.
Mary-Lou still tells us that the PIRA were right in what they did.
That is a huge difference.
I am sure there are posters like this, but then there are others like me who have criticised and reported misogyny in relation to politicians from all parties.
On another thread you just claimed you'd no knowledge of this and didn't see the point in learning about it.
You just passing on soundbites you saw?
Oh I do. I was commenting on how if you are critical of a female politician some who use the term to their own advantage claim it when it suits.
Depending on the party of course.
What whitewashing? I said they tackled such crimes as sexual abuse and rape in the same manner the Irish Army does. Neither went to the authorities about it, kept it in house. At least the IRA weren't claiming to be part of the official state.
Yeah I can see loads of consultant running to Ireland for worse wages and paying more tax.
I'm not implying it, I'm outright saying it....I'd say her family being fundamental to the formation of the PIRA and her own membership of paramilitary organisations gives her a much deeper link to paramilitarism in her life than Mary Lou ever had in her leafy suburbs. Care to point out Mary Lou's historical membership of any paramilitary organisation? How many in her family were fundamental in the formation of any paramilitary organisations? It is quite preposterous to suggest that Mary Lou has a deeper connection to paramilitary organisations than Máiría Cahill.
Your black and white world view where everything is viewed through the prism of throwing whatever you can at anything SF makes it impossible for you to square the fact that Máiría Cahill has her own dodgy past, and she is also a victim. Being a victim doesn't whitewash away all wrongdoing. Pointing out the wrongdoing doesn't remove her victimhood.
And I strongly believe that you'd never utter the name Máiría Cahill if it wasn't a stick to beat SF with. Your supposed concern for victims is always through the lens of SF rather than any real concern for the victim. It is a disturbingly selfish, highly selective weaponisation of victims.
And if you can read my posts and think they're defending SF rather than pointing out your hypocrisy....well that's quite telling. I didn't realise referring to Mary Lou as a champagne socialist who doesn't know anything about the North could be read as a defence of SF....
They didn't deal with crimes behind closed doors!!!!!!!!
Tell that to all the victims of kneecappings, child abuse and rape who were on one side or other of the closed doors kangaroo courts.
Even Gerry Adams has admitted that the PIRA ran kangaroo courts.
The attempted whitewashing of the PIRA has reached a new level of delusion with that post.
I don't think you understand what misogyny is. That is quite scary.
If I was to say that if Mary-Lou wants to know a millionaire after claiming not to know one that she should look in the mirror, there is nothing misogynistic about that.
If I was to say that Mary-Lou wants to see something ugly that she should look in the mirror, then that would be misogynistic and should result in a sanction.
Sez you. Why hold this army to a higher standard than the BA? Or the Irish Army were rapes are covered up and ignored and never brought before the law of the land? For the IRA's many faults at least they didn't claim to be part of the state and deal with crimes behind closed doors.
You hold the IRA to a pretty high standard I must say.
Getting personal now. The regulars will be along to hint about misogyny. Actually she's not FG, have at it.
No trouble at all understanding who the PIRA were. They were a group of criminal thugs enriching themselves and terrorsing ordinary people while at the same time intimidating their community all under the guise and pretence of adhering to an ugly exclusionary nationalist ideology. Among their many many crimes were unjustified acts of terrorism, rape, child abuse, bombing, murders, bomb-making etc. It is a horrific legacy.
As I understand it she's no problem with wealthy people just those making off the housing crisis. Any in her own party would be taxed as much. You could even say despite millionaires in SF she's still going after them?
Like any army by the sounds. Why should they be viewed any differently? You seem to have trouble understanding who the IRA were. You can disagree of course but there are those who wouldn't.
They also want to cut consultants' pay!!!
What a disturbing post.
Implying that Mairia Chaill has deeper links to paramilitarism than Mary-Lou.
A dose of reality is needed for some people around here.
The "get the victim" mentality is still alive and well among SF defenders.
I think it's something along the lines of "It's not Sinn Fein fault, please look at ...." Not sure who the look at is supposed to be I think it is Mairia Cahill, I think MLMD is supposed to the the "aul posh bird champagne socialist"
Quite difficult to figure out what your point is ?
