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Not really. Did you see the photo of WT Cosgrave giving the nazi salute while on stage with the blueshirts, a fascist organisation?
Haven't seen similar with Barney Rock.
Hitler was just role playing I suppose :)
He was on stage with fellow fascists giving the popular at the time, in fascist circles, fascist salute. Get up the yard.
Was published the other day. Someone posted it here. You going over to the shinner thread to say same? I somehow don't think so.
Excuse me? who is defending what character assassination. What are you talking about?
Sláintecare 'standoff between the establishment and those charged with reform' | Newstalk
"We are now four weeks into this crisis about the future of our healthcare system.
"And we now find ourselves that there appears to be a sort of a standoff between the existing establishment - the HSE, perhaps the Department of Health - and the people who are charged with reforming the system.
"We did learn last night that Laura Magahy and Prof Keane had met the Taoiseach earlier this week, and I understand that that meeting was very constructive.
"But really we have to get to grips with this".
He says this is undermining morale, as well as delaying access to care with "almost 700, 800,000 patients waiting to get access to our care... and this is all being delayed now".
And he says the consensus around the plan is fading.
"Lets recall here that this was a political consensus, probably the first time we had such a thing in Irish politics.
"They agreed on a strategy, and the funding and all the other things to do with that.
"And now we find that that's beginning to splinter.
"Someone needs to take the reigns here in the interest of patients, and indeed our wider public, to ensure that these parties get together."
While former head of the HSE Tony O'Brien has said the reform plan needs to be moved away from the Department of Health.
I already posted this link. You must have been too busy defending the character assassination of Professor O'Connor.
The 3 experts that resigned have outlined that the government are failing to support Slaintecare, hence it is in crisis.
Taoiseach speaks with two resigned Sláintecare members (rte.ie)
In his resignation letter, Prof Keane said that he believed that fundamental failures of governance, accountability and commitment continued to make any chance of success for the Sláintecare programme impossible.
In a letter of resignation, Professor Anthony O'Connor told Mr Donnelly that the Sláintecare programme to reform the health service would bear little or no relation to what was originally envisaged.
Prof O'Connor said the devolution of power to regions and communities was not going to happen, given the approach he bore witness to in yesterday's meeting with head of the Health Service Executive Paul Reid and Secretary General of the Department of Health Robert Watt.
In his resignation letter, Mr O'Connor said that when Prof Tom Keane resigned on foot of a number of SIAC resignations since the summer, he was presented with a difficult choice.
On his options he said: "To accept at face value the word of a senior clinician and healthcare reformist with an international track record that fundamental failures of governance, accountability and commitment continue to make any chance of success impossible, or given the fact that SIAC had clearly been kept very much in the dark on the issues that led to the resignations, to lead the group to pursue answers and direction for ourselves to remain loyal to the project."
Maybe you can explain why the government are afraid to implement it?
After all they have to use the HSE and the hospitals themselves, their families etc.
It's a stick to beat one party (FG) in government with, claiming their origins were in the far-right. Bit like claiming the GAA has it's origins in fascism because of the O'Duffy Cup.
Would implementing Slaintecare improve the health service? Also if it does improve the health service why would any government be afraid to implement it? Surely its a no brainer to implement something that is going to improve services for everyone in the country
100%. The government are afraid to implement it.
Depends of which party is being discussed.
Again, just what is the cutoff point for discussing the foibles of a political party's history and origin then?
"my guess his departure hasn't the slightest thing to do with Sláintecare in itself, but more to do with something to do with himself that we don't know about yet."
My guess? Seriously? Wow. Fascinating that rather than accept there is a major problem with Slaintecare which the government need to address, you decide to go after the Professor who is working to implement it, the messenger. Brucie is right, it is character assassination. A baseless slur it seems. Cowardly really. If it were me, I would apologise.
The fact is that O'Connor wrote a letter of resignation to the minister.
Sláintecare to seek Govt meeting after resignations (rte.ie)
"I have however come to the very reluctant conclusion that while I am frustrated that he did not share it with members before his resignation, the chairman's analysis was entirely correct."
It’s easier at this stage just to ignore. The budget is coming up, the government is concentrating on that yet we have more “punch & Judy” shows coming from the opposition. It would seem they are afraid the Dail might actually do some work for the people of Ireland. Instead waste another few days of faux outrage interviews.
1, yeah everyone was doing the Roman back in the day, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Mosley, Cosgrave.... Twas the style at the time, as perfectly normal as when Grandpa Simpson tied an onion to his belt.
2, it's an article about one of the party's in the present day governments origins. I didn't pen the article marko.
(Seems like just the other day FG heads were rubbishing any suggestion FG had its roots in the far right)
I am still struggling to see what a picture taken nearly 100 years ago have to do with the present government?
How is it a character assassination? nobody has said anything about the people that have left and the opposite and said it is a disaster for the government these people are leaving
According to the tweet from the guy that left yesterday he wasn't happy once the other people left so he decided to quit. If you can point to anywhere this "character assassination" is happening that would be great?
Please note you don't need to copy in the full http, if you just copy in details of link boards will accept, just not a direct link if still an issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute#Adoption_during_the_20th_century
1) It actually is called the Roman Salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
2) Not sure what it has to do with the present government of the day
And what about the others who resigned the other week? Is it character assassinations all around? Reminds me of the smears against Whistleblowers.
Slaintecare was left in limbo and those at the top got browned off. No government will to touch private profits.
Dr O'Connor is a very political animal himself, outspoken on social media, high up in the IMO, even pushing to be Chairman of the Labour Party last I heard.
Given that he didn't make a resignation statement, my guess his departure hasn't the slightest thing to do with Sláintecare in itself, but more to do with something to do with himself that we don't know about yet.
Can we stick to the topic of the thread, FF/FG/Green? The last number of posts have all been about SF
Ironically I just put a mod note in the SF/SD thread to stick to that topic since posters there are insisting on talking about FF/FG
Smh 🙄
Fine Gael certainly have that in their locker as their pre merger parties being Fascist, there was also a significant cohort of the Irish Unionist Alliance in their ranks post 1922 as well.
So the merger of Cumann, The NCP and the National Guard was already lain on a right wing party with a unionist flavour.
It's a vote of no confidence in the government by medical experts.
That's actually a good idea with the direct provision but not going to happen.
If the landlords were left to set their own rent without government interference for the last few years rent would find its own level, but now you have landlords putting up rent every year not because they want to, but because they have to.
I'd put anyone not paying council rent into Direct provision. Its a great system run poorly. We can't do away with it. Many good families live in council properties.
As for the landlords, I've little sympathy to be honest. I don't think anyone should be gouging during a housing crisis. And if you are leaving places empty so you can charge more down the road, you should be slapped with major taxes.
No need if Mary Lou gets into power with her open borders policies and the flood gates open.
That is true, plenty of them types of houses around my way, not lived in for years but still connected up for electricity for the farmyard use, somebody that's not used to farm life wouldn't last in one of them if the got it rent-free for a week with cows looing and smell of silage.
Why not start by collecting the millions that are owed in rent to councils by the usual crowd that pay for nothing in this country,
Oh, wait, better go after the good old landlord that's more popular at the moment, usual s*it.
I expect we'll save a lot of money leaving the leasing/buying/renting/hotel housing policies.
Broadsheet had some interesting photos up today about Cosgrave etc.
Fine Gael
I got a copy of Old Ireland in Color II and was really enjoying it until I came to a picture of the Blueshirts. The caption states that the Blueshirts are giving the ‘Roman salute.’ For some time now the far-right and far-right apologists have taken to using the term ‘Roman salute’ to rehabilitate the memory of those who took the side of fascism in 1930s Europe. I was rather taken aback to see the term ‘Roman salute’ in an Irish book that’s published in the 21st century. WTAF. The Irish Times review has the picture and caption too.
