That is simply not true - the coastal mobility route is very busy every day, particularly in the mornings. Far more bikes than cars travel the coast road, adults, schoolkids, commuters, enthusiasts. I cycle the route at least twice every single day so stop saying no one uses it. You don't know what you're talking about. You're just trolling this forum with your rubbish.
Case in point: "I was driving around today and I didn't see a single cyclist" . Following post: "today I was driving and I saw a cyclist break the lights" . The usual contradictory nonsense.
You are entitled to your opinion Patrick, as I am and I'm very familar with the theories you talk about. However, I've visited cities and towns all over the World many of which have ruined their heritage in the name of progress.
I would never say the Irish planning system and its stakeholders do not have some serious issues that continue to need to be addressed, but I'm proud to be "indoctrinated" in a system that deeply values its built heritage after a century of vandalism in that regard.
That was one example of solving an issue and something that is done frequently the world over. See the following link:
Structure relocation - Wikipedia
This shows how imaginative other countries are when it comes to making space for projects like road improvements among many other things. So, ridiculous, it aint.
Unfortunately, you seem to be heavily indoctrinated into the very unimaginative Irish planning process riddled with restrictions, red tape, parish pump politics and resultant high construction costs which is a hinderance to a lot of potential economic growth, tourism and opportunities. It's also the kind of stupidity lampooned in shows like Father Ted where perpetuation of such perception is just cringeworthy.
The buses will be back so that will increase custom in the shops, thats what a town is about.
What you are looking for, eg acrobats etc can be found in the local park.
That street is ugly, the buildings ciuld be painted and flower boxes etc installed on upper levels, removing cars or leaving them isnt going to make a whole lot of difference.
If Tesco closed its doors thats the end of retail in that atea, Tesco and the cinema bring shoppers and not the absence of cars.
I can cycle down the street again so Im happy, cars dont bother me.
The politicans couldnt even walk or cycle from the Dail to the convention centre, they organised a bus to take them.
We will start at the top and remove all travelling expenses from politicans and civil servsnts. They can avail of tax reliefs to buy bikes and scooters or they can walk to work.
They can take trains like everyone else if the commute is too far.
The carparks attached to Dublin City Hall and DLR should be converted into bicycle and escooter parking and or bus parking, no need for anyone working in the centre of Dublin or DL to drive,when I see this happening I might take all this talk about change seriously.
Compared to last Saturday, it adds nothing to see the street full of traffic again. Its back to being an ugly, dreary street. I certainly won't be in a hurry to head down there this weekend.
Theres where the bus priority should be (this was taken today).
And if bus parking is whats needed, there is acres of space in the harbour. I'm not sure a load of parked buses describes a particular efficient operation though.
Better public transport is a great idea, but where will we put it? Right now, in Dún Laoghaire, there is simply no room for more buses - unless bus priority measures (something completely absent in the town) and bus parking facilities are provided. And I'm not sure how either of those things would be possible without taking space away from private cars.
As I said, grow up.
No, but thats the level one must communicate with you at it seems.
Someone lost their life over a car parking space, that is the point.
Building large developments in areas where there isnt good public transport is not a good idea as it will lead to disputes, bern there, done that.
Grow up, “ dont get smart with me”, are you twelve years of age.
"Structural relocation has not been explored nearly as much as it could be where the owners of said structures are sentimental about them"
Actually Patrick, I don't take your words to mean any more or less than what they literally say. But that is quite ridiculous enough in itself without anyone else having to exaggerate for you. See above
One that they sent to the Central Mental Hospital following her arraignment 20 months ago and has not appeared in a Court since. And don't get smart with me.
Amen. The Dail is a haven for virtue signalling and telling "Joe Public" what they want to hear (for the votes, of course) and reneging on it. Case in point, MetroLink. "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" is a story that comes to mind.
That being said, until there is significant infrastructure and/or public transport improvements and not just the proposals for the Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock contingent, I will continue using my car.
Sadly, some posters here jump the gun and take my points to mean demolish entire heritage towns beyond recognition with knee jerk reactions or condescending remarks.
Whats a deeply mentally ill person,is that a diagnosis.
Parking issues cause huge stress to residents and building too much accomodation and leaving residents to fight over insufficient spaces is a recipe for disaster.
Its a good idea in urban areas with lots of facilities and good public transport and where the majority of the tenants are young renters.
Most people though do want the freedom a car gives them and while Local Authority, Civil Service and Dail car parks are full with car drivers its a bit much for Joe Public to be told he needs to buy a bike.
Yeah, by a deeply mentally ill woman. Cop on.
Wasnt someone murdered in a housing estate over parking issues.
I certainly wouldnt buy anywhere without sufficient parking.
Some buyers though would be happy enough to share cars, young single people especially in locations were good public transport is available.
Making Carysfort Avenue one way is the most ridiculous suggestion, You are making this discussion pointless.
The traffic light sequencing at thejunction of carysfort and Stillorgan Park is causing chaos, traffic has never been as bad.
Is this being done deliberately to make driving so difficult people will walk or cycle.Its not working, parents are going back to the office so need to drop children to school on the way.
Do we need to provide more free school buses in the cities, this would be one solution, a fleet of mini buses for every school to pick up children and drop them home.
Our local school is supportive of safe travel to school but the staff car park is full of cars.😀😄👀the talking is easy but teachers etc need to lead by example.
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So you’re coming around to making Carysfort one way up and along newtownpark. Could even stop off in the wishing well for a gin snifter to stiffen the nerves before going onto DL. Because I know how anxious you get about going down there 🙂
They're giving up their cars, because the new homes they are purchasing have either one assigned parking space, or none at all.
I like Howth but there are a lot of cars there and it’s hard to get parking.
I think we should make the roads one way and remove all cars from the streets.
The village will be much quieter,sure the locals can just stay at home so they and their smelly cars don’t spoil my day out.
TP, I do admire your stamina and your ability for spouting such sh*te.
People don’t go to Dunlaoghaire to see the town, have you seen UpperGeorges Street recently, it’s a dive.
People travel to see the sea, to walk the pier and to eat ice cream, then they leave.
So why should locals have to give up their cars etc, are the good folk of Pelletstown going to give up their cars and road space so I can have a nice day out in Pelletstown( wherever that is), they most certainly are not.
I agree, DL is a heritage town, with fantastic assets in terms of it buildings, seafront and great potential in its streetscapes, surrounds and history.
I was listening to an interview with passengers at the new railway station opened this week in Pelletstown, one lady passed the remark that it was great that they could now go all the way to DL by train. People see DL as a destination town, a place that they want to visit and spend some time. It should be developed as such. But development of DL as a destination town is not going to happen on the back of huge capital works to facilitate traffic and consequently, creating uncomfortable grotty streets full of cars, buses or lorries. People have enough of that at home. They wont want to travel to DL for more of the same, that's for sure.
Case in point, look at DL's sister town, Cobh (Queenstown) in Cork. I know that town very well. They have slowly been developing Cobh as a destination town for a number of years and now, from a fairly rundown place in the 70's and 80's, similar to DL in a lot of ways, it is now a fantastic place to visit. People come from the city to eat or have a day out and increasingly (pre covid) American and other tourists from visiting liners were choosing to stay and explore the town, as opposed to traveling elsewhere. Its good for business. Its good for everyone!
Maybe DL could learn lessons from its southern sister?
I'd agree they are heritage towns and we don't want to destroy them. Massive capital works aren't needed for what I'm talking about, just a reconfiguring of road space.
The cyclists were already home as they didn't get stuck in traffic ;)
The CMR has a steady stream of cyclists on it throughout the day and, as I said earlier, proved its worth through the winter months last year. Just been on it a while ago to get to Tesco and passed several others. And bike racks at Tesco busy enough, so there's some evidence that if you provide the right infrastructure people will use it. Here's it at 6:30 today.
I agree about everyone obeying the rules.
A cyclist sailed through both a bike light and the red light today, he either didnt notice the Garda car behind me or didnt care. what was the point of spending money on those bike lights if they are ignored.
Of course if an oncoming car hit him it would be the motorists fault.
As per usual, you are taking my posts way out of context. A place can look largely the same and be higher functioning. In my opinion, it is very insidious to use the heritage of any town as an excuse to place shackles on its function and accessibility. From a functional stand point, this leads to wasted opportunities while from an accessibility stand point, it keeps cars on the road. How exactly is improved accessibility and function destroying it or making it unrecognizable?
On a personal level, I am not talking nonsense. You are just very set in your ways given your rigidness with a myopic approach to town planning. Yourself and a couple of other boardie's mightn't take me seriously. As usual, your criticisms come off as sanctimonious and condescending.
But they ARE heritage towns Patrick, or at the very least beautiful old style streetscapes, that people greatly value. As usual you are talking nonsense about the amount of major capital works you suggest should be done for the benefit of traffic flow. You would have the place destroyed and unrecognisable, give it a rest, nobody takes it seriously.
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