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Anti-British Xenophobia and Hatred in Ireland

hawley

Reading comments on here and other fora makes me believe that a lot of Irish people have an absolute hatred of the British, especially the English. From blaming all the British players for losing the Ryder Cup, to sneering at everything their politicians do. We're supposed to be a far more tolerant people now, but this is actually becoming quite disturbing. It's about time one of our politicians or someone in the media takes a stand on this.

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[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958367#Comment_117958367

yep, the Irish version of history keeps popping up

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958405#Comment_117958405

which is also why absolutely nothing gets done and we never ever have the policies we voted for.

Very deomcratic.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958428#Comment_117958428

maybe the descendants of Irish colonialism just thought they had a right to return to the mother country?

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958484#Comment_117958484

“Irish version” hahaha.

Concentration camps in South Africa aren’t Irish history. “Of the 107,000 people interned in the camps, 27,927 Boer women and children died as well as more than 14,000 Black Africans.”

Genocide of the Bengal people isn’t Irish history. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/4/1/churchills-policies-to-blame-for-1943-bengal-famine-study

British War Crimes are nothing to do with Ireland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958494#Comment_117958494

I'm on my phone but a brief overview can be had by reading the 'Planning the plantation' section of the Wikipedia article for the Ulster Plantation, though I don't know if your reply was serious or trying to be smart.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958490#Comment_117958490

You said Ireland voted for change but 50%+ didn't. You could also include Labour in that as well. We do have the policies we voted for, we just happened to have a lot of votes for FF and FG.

However I would consider it democratic. FPTP tends to stop people voting for policies they want and simply go to tactical voting to avoid who you don't. The US has started churning out election candidates who are most notable for their unpopularity but neither side can move away from their party as FPTP does not allow serious 3rd parties in a region. Northern Ireland has been dominated by not the other party as opposed to any nuanced talk and the UK has a government that most voters did not vote for, Ireland has one most people did.

Larbre34

The ordinary people of Britain should hate the British establishment just as much as the rest of the World, after all, they're the ones paying for it and getting fooked by it at the same time.

I don't hate the British, I pity them.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958571#Comment_117958571

Matthew 7.5

Snickers Man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117944462#Comment_117944462

Someone who would never say "I seen" for a start. :)

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958631#Comment_117958631

So I'm not a "Westbrit"? Phew

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958563#Comment_117958563

42% voted for none FG or FF parties and guess what, we got FF and FG.

As much as I dislike SF, this country needs them to get in to power to break up the system that keeps the gravy train rolling for the elite.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958546#Comment_117958546

smart? If you go invading and colonising countries, don't be surprised if a few of the natives follow you home.

joseywhales

Well I guess there is varied opinion regarding the British. I don't hate Britain, I have some British family and friends. I particularly like some friends I have from Carlisle and Wales and in general I think the northerners have a good culture. As a country the UK obviously has a dark past but we can't blame the child for the sins of the father. We have a lot of shared culture and similarities. I would never trust the British government in anything however. I had time for Theresa May, she seemed to have some integrity and honesty about her but the current government barely trust each other it seems. I believe the Irish government should position itself such that the UK is no different from any other western European country. I would put the UK on a level footing with the french or the Spanish. Civilized, reasonable but totally self interested. Which is fine.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958643#Comment_117958643

I mean I agree that I don't want FG and FF in power but I really don't know what you want. Do you want to kick them out on your say so? Do we ignore that people voted for them in large numbers and just chuck out democracy altogether? I mean most people didn't vote Sinn Fein so that is hardly more democratic to just stick them in for the sake of it. Outside of a massive landslide there will be a significant minority in any country that did not vote for the government, indeed for FPTP you will likely get a result that the majority voted against.

You complained about our democratic system and now you seem to be complaining that it gave a democratic result? You don't have to agree with people on FF/FG/Greens but you do have to accept that is how people voted.

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958657#Comment_117958657

Did you read the link?

What you posted would be better directed at those British citizens who complain about immigrants.

Fanofconnacht

The people best able to judge Irish \ English dynamic are people who have lived significant time in both juristictions. A few observations

Every country in the world has probably a pretty constant proportion of Ass**. A country with 50million will produce more than one of 5 million simple maths.
Newspaper headlines do not always represent reality and sometimes not even the story underneath.
It is human nature to love to see the big team \ neighbour beaten \ humbled etc. Irish \ Scots \ Welsh all love beating England and love to see anyone beating them. There are lots of English people who lose seeing England lose especially at cricket. All of us outside Dublin love to see Dublin losing at Bogball.
The vast vast majority of English \ Irish have absolutely no issue with their neighbour.
The biggest difference between both nationalities that I see is education levels they are so much higher in Ireland on average.
As regards politicians I used to think UK politicians were of a higher standard than Irish, especially when they quickly resigned when they were involved in scandals. Watching how brexit unfolded changed all of that especially as regards Conservatives (I used to be a Conservative supporter). Jeremy Corbyn was not any better. They have made Irish Politician all look like world class statesmen in recent years. Brexit is a complete sh** show for England.
Yes we have had a troubled history with England just like a significant proportion of the world. Likewise many have had a troubled history with French, Spanish, Germans, Chinese, Portughese, Romans, Greeks, Ottomans, Moors, Huns Vandals, CELTS, Vikings etc etc. We need to get over it. We cannot blame todays people for whatever their ancestors did in the past.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958643#Comment_117958643

What sort of absolute scutter is this?

In Ireland the government parties got over 50% of first preference votes

In the UK, the government party got under 44% of the votes, but a large majority in parliament.

But something something handwavey something something Ireland is less democratic.

Uhuh.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958685#Comment_117958685

Two different systems, similar results. One gives a coalition that spends most of its time negotiating with itself, the other gives a strong mandate so that the government can get on and do stuff.

Its the reason why nothing gets done here, because the system is set up to avoid a majority. Real change never happens unless there are outside forces making it happen.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958722#Comment_117958722

I've spent over a decade now here in the UK. I've nothing against the average Brit but it's obvious even to the casual observer that the system is stacked against them. Take the Brexit debate for instance. A popular tactic by the Brexit side was to interview someone from "the north" for a quote on how immigration ruined the country. That's the only time the media shows any interest in the UK outside London. The same individual wonders why their local hospital or police station closed and nobody pays them the slightest heed.

It's important to bear in mind just how unequal and centralised this country is. It was so even before the coalition of a decade ago stripped away nearly half of all local authority funding. In the meantime, there are more foodbanks than McDonald's restaurants.

This also applies to the media where a few men effectively control the narrative. While this doesn't mean control of elections, the broken voting system makes up for that.

The result is rampant partisanship and widespread misunderstanding of key issues. This fuelled the Brexit debate where you had people voting to leave because there were too many Indians or too many immigrants in general despite most immigrants coming from outside the EU. They complain that their areas are rotting economically while voting for the party that sold off key British industries to their friends.

Dumping Bible quotes and getting hysterical does not change this. To be fair, my quality of life here far exceeds what I'd expect in most of Ireland. Here, I work in an elite research facility whereas back home I'd struggle to find a job scrubbing toilets.

What makes me despair is that far too few people are interested in anything more than partisan sniping.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958701#Comment_117958701

you're the one complaining that a majority of people in the North don't want a united Ireland.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958756#Comment_117958756

because FF anf FG had to find some random TDs to make up the numbers, like they do every year.

Who knows, Eamonn Ryan may get a job at the UN at the end of it.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958722#Comment_117958722

Aah the old "We have the best education system in the world" myth

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/where-does-ireland-rank-on-the-most-educated-countries-list-39928

but in fairness, Ireland does score marginally higher for reading, Maths and Science, thanks mainly to a very high standards of mathematics

https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-mathematics-science-reading/

hardly "So much higher", as you claim.

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958876#Comment_117958876

Go on, link the post where I said that.

Cyclingtourist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958844#Comment_117958844

Our system is more democratic in that it reflects the political views of the majority.

Are we seeing frustrated SF voters suddenly seeing that FPTP is a preferable system because that would have delivered a SF Dail majority?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959016#Comment_117959016

does it, or does it just list parties in order of preference?

How many people voted for the Green Party because they actually wanted the green party to get seats, rather than just voting for them because they disliked them less than they dislike someone else?

indioblack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958367#Comment_117958367

The Germans were always more efficient.

German Nazis - since you're identifying a people.

The majority membership of the NSDAP were German.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958883#Comment_117958883

What is the above nonsense supposed to mean? Do you even know yourself?

Fanofconnacht

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958952#Comment_117958952

I did not say that Irish education system best in world, I did not even say in was better than UK system. What I said was on average Irish people are better educted than English. The main reason is participation rates in education particularly 3rd level. It is nothing to do with absolute standard of education system in each country.

A further point on the teaching of history in the respective countries. While yes the English do not study a whole lot of Irish history we focus too much on the English as the sole cause of our woes for 800 years. We never focus on the internal lack of unity \ infighting which prevented us defeating English invaders for hundreds of years after we had invited them in. While today England has a population 10 times than of Ireland, pre famine it was only about twice. Historically we were not always the weakling our history portrays us to be.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959134#Comment_117959134

which bit was confusing?

when i last voted, I voted for the people I wanted to win and then some other folks (including greens) because there were two people on the ticket I did not want to see get in.

Given the choice, I wouldn't have voted for three of those that I did, but the system meant I could vote against the people I definitely didn't want in. Is that democracy, or a beauty parade?

Cyclingtourist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959078#Comment_117959078

You could ask the same question of those who voted for any party, not just Green voters and would still apply in a FPTP system.

I see similarities between SF today and FF of earlier times. I expect SF to call a referendum on replacing multi-seat constituency PR just like FF did in 1959 (3rd amendment), a proposal which was narrowly rejected.