Well, the killer could have dragged her over the brambles and briars and barbed wire not caring about anything. The wounds on her hand and arm suggest to be in defence. It's hard to believe that any kind of fight would have been totally silent and it's also hard to believe that Sophie ripped her own hair out during a possible fight as well. At least with the latter the killer must have staged something.
I don't believe that the police would have believed that Alfie and Shirley slept with earplugs in the countryside where it's quiet every night. I also can't believe they heard nothing at all that night. It's also possible that Alfie and Shirley did the killing and cleaning up of the site themselves.
One thing I would have said was more than certain: If Bailey did it and was there, Bailey would have been a loud personality and noise would certainly have been part of the murder. I simply can't see Bailey being the quiet type for such a job.
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It doesn't really track with the evidence. How did Sophie get the scratches from briars and barbed wire if carried from door to gate? Why would the assailant do this? It's not like they were carrying the body to a more secluded spot where it wouldn't be seen, or dumping it in water. Picking up the body creates a big risk of forensics transference.
Sophie had what appeared to be defensive wounds on her hands and arms.
How did she end up with her own hair in her hand if she was killed in such a sudden manner?
It is entirely possible that Sophie was killed right on her doorstep and without any forewarning. At least this would have explained the blood stain at the door. Neither Alfie nor Shirley would have heard any screaming. The first blow to the head could have come from the back and totally unexpected to Sophie, and then the murderer carried her to the site where she was found. Injuries on the hands and her arms and legs could have been inflicted later on. Sophie was not too big, and a man the size like Bailey could have carried her with ease. He could then have taken one of those cavity blocks from that pump house and continued bashing her head in.
Also there is no proof for this, but it's possible. It would at least explain why nobody heard anything that night.
If they thought they would get something from it to convict Bailey, they would have... they sent a Guard up a tree to see if he could get scratched like Bailey... maybe he was just a better climber!
But they didn't send this intrepid Guard into the briars to see if he could get scratched like the scratches they claim Bailey got from briars...
Did any garda go to the spot of her death late at night, roar loudly and have another garda above at Alfies with the windows closed to test could they hear anything
This would prove nothing.
People often sleep through thunderstorms.
Who dutifully reports his suspicions to his next in command
Did any garda go to the spot of her death late at night, roar loudly and have another garda above at Alfies with the windows closed to test could they hear anything ?
And don't forget the Bandon tapes where detectives are recorded professionally threatening another officer for doing an honest job trying to get to the truth instead of toeing the party line to get 'a result'.
And there was the GSOC report... which many Gardai refused to co-operate with, or were out of reach due to retirement. Or conveniently dead when it came to assigning responsibily for the deliberate cover-up of wrongdoing by destroying 35 pages from the evidence book. In other jurisdictions the cover up is treated as seriously as the act itself, because it's very hard to catch people in the act, but the destruction of evidence allows conclusions to be drawn.
The DPP saw right through the shenanigans going on.
If forensics are from Dublin than they could hardly have been in league with corrupt local Guards having a part in a drug ring in the South West of Ireland. If they didn't find any DNA, any fingerprints, fiber of clothes or bits of hair at the scene, one must assume to a very high degree, that there were really none. So either the killer left no traces, or cleaned it up rather thoroughly.
The only behavioural thing that really ties or would tie Bailey to the crime is that he was having a fire and burning something behind the studio. These fires may be common there, but why bother burning clothes, when one can bring them to a garbage site? There were easier methods to dispose of something, not needing a fire, not needing to supervise a fire or bother the fire from spreading and the job is done quicker.
Again, that doesn't prove anything, nor is there any new evidence in this, it's just the idea that Bailey could have burned evidence which sticks to everybody's mind. The fire was long extinguished by the time Bailey was considered a suspect. So Bailey could have cleared away the ashes of the fire as well, which he apparently didn't do.
So, we're non the wiser.
I don't know it exactly, but it seems Sophie's house has hardly any windows facing north to the road leading to Alfie and Shirley's house. There is only one ? window facing to the west, all the other windows seem to be south facing. Facing to the west, there might have been trees obstructing the view to Alfie's and Shirley's? If there was any light coming out of the house, I'd tend to say, that Alfie and Shirley would not have noticed it in an instant. However they might have at a 2nd glance, as a beam of light would have illuminated the front of the house from the windows?
But these are guesses as well.
I think if you read the DPP's report, there is an acceptance of the truthfulness of statements made by Ian Bailey and Jules Thomas where there would have been no particular reason or benefit for them to lie yet they are contradicted by Alfie and Shirley. This makes me wonder about A&S's motive or whether they were under pressure to say certain things
"allows any Guard to believe a crime may have been committed and so have grounds to seek a search warrant. "
Any Guard?
they might have fallen to the ground when the coat burned
What does it tell us about our police system that the law enforcement officers named in this DPP report, documented and recorded, engaging in inappropriate and very likely illegal activity in the course of an investigation, received absolutely no sanction whatsoever? If they are still alive they are enjoying their generous pensions right now.
Again, these Gaurds are named in this report, yet none were investigated, fired or prosecuted.
What's the quotation marks for?
Who said that?
Here's what I said:
" 'Evidence' isn't required for Guards to seek search warrants ". You understand the single commas?
you said they do not need evidence to get a warrant, That is nonsense.
Was Shirley in any of the documentaries i cannot remember
now you're getting there. Information? Read back. An admission of having been at the back door of the house of a murder victim, for whatever reason, during what may be the time that murder occurred, allows any Guard to believe a crime may have been committed and so have grounds to seek a search warrant. But in any case in a country where these things have never been questioned, as in arresting Jules Thomas for murder, the legal niceties are rarely an obstruction.
I'd like to know if Shirley thought there might be someone using the house when Sophie was away.. And any ideas on who it might be? Had Alfie or Shirley ever noticed lights or any sort of activity at times when Sophie wasn't there?
Are they usually such sound sleepers? If Bailey committed this murder he would have been loud.. And Sophie must have been screaming.
I'd like to know more detail about why Alfie had referred to Sophie as being a bit of a pain? Was there really an ongoing disagreement about gate etc. Or is that just a rumour?
Was Alfies hand bandaged on the morning of the 23rd? And why? Apparently it was a dog bite but they didn't have a dog at the time?
Did Alfie and Shirley have a view on why Sophie didn't run towards their house? Did they give any insight about the pile of rocks near the bloody gate (that were shown in a photo a few pages back on this thread).
I'd love to know who Shirley thinks may have committed the murder. Yes, it's speculation but it's with the added insight of someone who knew Sophie and knew the locality.
Jules told a 'boring truth' too of just going to bed.. Until she was arrested and grilled by Guards in a stressful setting. I have no idea if Alfie or Shirley were in any way involved or if they ever knew more than they let on but they were the closest neighbours and we know very, very little about them.
They need information or fact beyond their own belief that would convince an objective person that there are drugs to be found which is sworn to a judge or PC. Without that they cannot even get into the house. Going to a judge with i think mamboozle has dope in his house won't do.
I think you should read the law re search warrants.
you tell us how do the garda get a warrant if i am wrong and post the process
what evidence do the drug squad have to search a premises if the drugs are what they are looking for? eh?
Maybe some types of overcoat do or else they were standard plastic but did not burn or melt fully in the fire. It would not have been an intense high flaming fire, I would say.
what i posted is the law from a book written by a barrister. to say they can get warrant without evidence is nonsense. your comment is childish. If that were true the drugs squad could kick your door in anytime with no sworn objective information
if i am wrong you tell us how the garda get warrants. what is the process? what do they need?
What's the name of the planet you're living on?
Jules Thomas was arrested illegally according to the DPP. The Guards said "And?"
I didn't say is must be personal i said i read it from a profiler that it was personal . you said
To state that the severity of the violence indicates a personal interest is simply wrong and is disproven both by e.g. road rage incidents and serial killer de-personalisation attempts.
It is not disproven no more that what i said is proven. you said disproven both by e.g. road rage incidents and serial killer de-personalisation attempts .
disproven both by e.g. road rage incidents and serial killer de-personalisation attempts .
as if it were fact. it is not. It cannot be ruled in or out .Both are just theories
How do you think Gardai apply for warrants then if they don't need evidence? They need information or fact beyond their own belief that would convince an objective person
And your sympathy for Jules?
While it might suggest or indicate a personal interest but its not the case that it *must* be personal. That is simply wrong.
We cant rule it in or rule it out.
"It is surprising that Shirley has hardly ever received any attention at all really as a witness.. I assume the Guards interviewed her at length about Sophie and yet I don't know of any quotes or information that has come from Shirley. "
Shirley was a just retired teacher from East London,
she came to live out her retirement in West Cork with Alfie.
She most likely did her speaking to the investigators, told the truth and stuck to it, really boring as far as this forum is concerned.
A Bailey or Farrell she was not.
What kind of "quotes or information" would you expect from her?
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