Whoever was bathing in her home had some nerve. That's a badass mofo. Also be shocked if MF wasn't spun into the web somewhere. She really wanted to insert herself in make sure she got to control the narrative. Were her and Chris the barmey bathers?
Timeline - 21.12.96 14.30
How can this be a mistake , query ,unknown , not sure....... Was her car there or not.??
If I phone a landline, I could want to speak to any one of the occupants in that dwelling.....
More details on this aspect...
It must have happened several years before the murder if Sophie was with Bruno? I thought that ended in 1993.
Someone earlier on thread mentioned a hobo in the area who would use holiday homes when he thought owners away.
I wonder if someone could have used it for a love nest affair hideaway but seems risky...
Ms Hellen claimed that Sophie suspected that someone was getting into the house to use her water and bathroom facilities while she was away. She described how once she was at the house when Sophie had just arrived from France with Bruno Carbonnet. He complained that the bath was not clean.
"I went upstairs to check it and straight away I saw it was used. I cleaned it on the Thursday and this was the Friday when they came, so it was used on Thursday night. We checked the house to see where he came in and the window of the porch was open, so this was the only place he could have got in and used the bath."
She said Sophie then decided to change the locks.
"I discussed setting up a trap with Sophie about catching whoever was using the bath, but it seemed that the changing of the locks had changed it or stopped it."
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/locks-were-changed-after-intruder-at-du-plantier-house-said-housekeeper-30242061.html
OK, but with whom could she really have argued with? With Alfie and Shirley? Then we would have known about it. And the other neighbours in the house further east it has been said, that they were not there at the time of the murder. Maybe Sophie was somebody who complained a lot and argued easily? It's possible, plus in the south west of Ireland she would rarely have found the same standards of life than in Paris, but then again, she was looking for this kind of lifestyle, otherwise she wouldn't have bought that house.
What exactly are you asking about here?
Whoever used the house in her absence was certainly an amateur. Any professional could have picked her locks even if she had them changed. The amateur had a key to the house from somewhere or somebody, but when the locks changed, he couldn't pick them.
And then there is the question, that if the house was used by a stranger in Sophie's absence, why was it never discovered by Alfie and Shirley?
Whoever used the house in her absence was certainly an amateur.
An amateur bather?
For clarification purposes
Front Door/ Note Letterbox
Door is on the latch
Back Door
Blood Smear near Handle
Lintdrummers posted timeline ... one page back half way up... courtesy of crime guy... *a must read*
oops lol on 100pc.
2 clarify i dont know foreign lover v tilted guard. too close. 2 call.
i was watching some crime stuff this week
the detective in 1 case asked who had most to lose?
maybe an interested angle to look at
bailey not much imo
guard lots and community face loss see fr molloy on this
drug link lots to lose mb mix in 2
french lover good family lots to lose big scandal in france
I know the timeline but I don't understand what your point is.
If I phone a landline, I could want to speak to any one of the occupants in that dwelling...
"Was her car there or not.??"
was who's car where?
Edit;
Sorry looking at wrong time.
Ok sorry... Finbar thought he may have seen a shadow in the porch but was suprised that she didn't come out.
This is partly dismissed in the crimeguys timeline (read accross to comments/disputed) as she would probably have been on the way to Schull at 14.30 . prob by wittnesses or bank withdrawl statments (timestamp)
So my point is.... Surely finbarr would know if the hire car was in the drive at that time or not...
Praise the Lord that's the end of that.
Don't take that timeline as gospel,
eg; touchdown 2:25 on the road towards west Cork 2:40, having de-planed , collected luggage, collected hire car and loaded up in 15 mins?
probably still waiting for the steps to be rolled out at 2:40.
I give up.
"So my point is.... Surely finbarr would know if the hire car was in the drive at that time or not..."
You would think he would know, if he was there.
Why would somebody want to go back in the house? To return the poker that Josephine said was missing and which had been pulled out of Sophie's hand? Where could it be?
They used go to bed early with the windows closed.
So was it a poker, which would be inside by the fire-place,
or a kindling axe which was supposedly outside in a wood basket?
Any idea how long before her death was the intruder using her bath?
The housekeeper mentioned Bruno was with Sophie at the time she raised it. So 3 years?
Or to remove letter / diaries that in which they were named.
I think the comment on the timeline states it is likely a time error, maybe it is was 2 instead of 2:30. Yvonne Ungerer was hours out with her time the next day. These errors are standard enough during witness statements.
If you don't like the thread, hit the bricks, best thing that ever happened was your idol moonunit leaving it. Set up your own little thread together the two of you, see how many people would be interested. little to none id imagine.
You make the most ridiculous accusations & then offer completely ridiculous theories yourself. Do us all a favor you P.O.S.
There is no need for language like that. It's been 25 years, and no real evidence only speculation with a handful of possible options.
In reality the case is a tough nut to crack at this point. One thing is probably beyond doubt: The Gards did a bad job, at least from solving this crime's perspective, the whole Marie Farrell affair and somebody wanting Sophie out of the way badly, for reasons we have been writing here.
This poster has been derogatory towards a number of other posters for no reason just because it didnt suit his/her narrative. If someone is going to give it, be prepared to take it. There is no need for the numerous smart & disrespectful comments he/she has made to other posters.
So think twice before you start having a go at me
I didn't mean it that way. I wanted to calm down things and not having a go at anybody. Yes, I noted that one user was a bit strong.
In the end, none of us were there on that fateful night. In absence of solid evidence tying murderer to weapon and crime scene, it's really just a speculation.
I'm coming around to the theory you have been pushing from the start, Garda corruption, and for their own reasons, but I support tibruit and Moonunit in their right to post opposing views. In fact I'd go so far as to say I admire their posts.
If you can back up your own theory don't try and shut down those opposing you.
He can be a bit cutting but you're a big boy. You can take it.
If Alfie Lyons killed her he wouldn't have had the foggiest notion she kept diaries. Seems to me like this person was acutely aware of how she worked. ie. Past romantic involvement. I think that eliminates AL and IB. More likely the Bantry detective or the young French student.
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