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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

MisterAnarchy

Interesting development this, there had been rumours for the last few months.

Andrew Neil has left the BBC to launch a 24-hour news channel to rival BBC and Sky.
GB News will launch early next year – under the chairmanship of Andrew Neil, who will be its flagship presenter.
GB News is aimed at the vast number of British people who feel underserved and unheard by their media.

Its being backed by Discovery and Rupert Murdoch .

https://deadline.com/2020/09/gb-news...il-1234585344/

This should be a welcome addition to counter the far left /woke media so prevalent now.

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MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954017#Comment_117954017

Its not my fault that the search function on the new platform is crap.

I'm not going to spend my day manually wading through thousands of posts to prove my point.

I know lots of posters have said CNN isnt biased and doesnt have an agenda.

Even when months of editorial meetings tapes were leaked last year, certain CNN lovers tried to dismiss the story because the tapes were leaked by Project Veritas, who they said were untrustworthy.

Perhaps they are but a tape is a tape and they are legitimate.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954572#Comment_117954572

By what metric is Channel 4 left wing, though? If someone is pretending that the Daily Mail is left wing without evidence then I wouldn't even respond to that.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954347#Comment_117954347

Different rules apply to the broadcasting media. They are governed by the Ofcom Broadcasting Code, particularly - News, in whatever form, must be reported with due accuracy and presented with due impartiality. We have have similar rules here, the BAI Code Of Fairness, Objectivity And Impartiality In News And Current Affairs. The US however, got rid of it's FCC fairness doctrine in 1985, paving the way for Fox News.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954572#Comment_117954572

We are back to the old left wing meaning anyone who isn't a homophobe or racist.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954347#Comment_117954347

I think the Right in the UK are right to bemoan the by far Left wing TV channels in the UK

Which TV stations would that be?

The BBC , Sky News , ITV ?

I'll give you Channel 4 ,but only just about , but the rest are not even remotely "left wing".

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954347#Comment_117954347

I think the average person (who none of us on political discussion forums are) don't think about, care or seek out media based on it being right or left and don't see themselves as either. I would say most people couldn't tell you if their news station or paper are right or left and just pick what's handy. A surprising amount of people read a particular paper because it's the one was always bought in the house when they were kids other watch BBC or Sky news because they are higher up the channel order.

That's what GBnews can't wrap their heads around. There was no market out there because most people want familiarity not a certain style of politics

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953461#Comment_117953461

But in choosing or creating alternative media sources, they don’t look for honest and open debate — they look for material that will Just tell them what they want to hear, delivered confidently by charismatic newsreaders who “say it like it is” and deliver their thoughts as truth rather than opinion .... essentially swapping the perceived shackles of the Left leaning mainstream media agenda for the shackles of the Right’s agenda.

I really think is a very tried old argument. You have no idea what anyone else watches in addition to CNN FOX whatever. And even if 'it's what they want to hear' it's what they think in the first place. Of course the press and channels cater to their audience.

I think the Right in the UK are right to bemoan the by far Left wing TV channels in the UK, certainly as far as social issues are concerned. Their press are mostly right wing I understand. Which incidentally would just go to prove the country itself is mostly right wing otherwise how could the papers sell, but that's not reflected in TV I don't think anyway.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954210#Comment_117954210

Certain people think that because they are obsessed with Fox that all us "woke lib antifa" (whatever other the FK stupid American terms) people are equally obsessed with CNN and Biden cause that what US news is telling them

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954098#Comment_117954098

Agreed. The only time I've watched CNN in maybe the last 3-4 years has been the US election results and I threw it on during the Jan 6th riots too. Other than that, why would I bother.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953389#Comment_117953389

Outside of the night of the US election it's rare enough to hear anyone talk about watching CNN. What's with the right wing obsession with trying to bring American political discourse into everything.

Btw I'm assuming GBnews will have an honest impartial assessment of Brexits impact on the oil crisis any day now

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954014#Comment_117954014

So, no then. Ok.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953962#Comment_117953962

Loads but I havent mastered the search funtion on the new platform yet unfortunately.

Anytime I've brought up CNN and bias on the Trump/Biden/Biased media threads on CA , I've been told that CNN is not biased in any way.

I see alot of the same posters on this thread lambasting GBNews.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953935#Comment_117953935

How many people here, on this Irish website, do you think watch CNN?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953935#Comment_117953935

Can you quote anyone as saying that CNN isn't biased?

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953389#Comment_117953389

Yet the same people who lambast GBNews on here are very often the same people who argue that CNN isn't biased.

The ironic thing is that they dont even watch GBNews but have an opinion on it, yet watch CNN and have a disengenuous opinion on that.

Hotblack Desiato

And Johnson's work as a "journalist" has to take a great deal of the blame.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953516#Comment_117953516

Indeed, and not only a “f**k you” for the purposes of ignorance and antagonism, but for the purposes of an agenda of invoking English nationalism as a mask for intellectual vacuity.

It is a sad and dangerous thing that has been unleashed in British politics in recent years — the clumsy, jingoistic, bullish strategy of making enemies of European neighbours and allies to further careers both in politics and media.

banie01

Using Mers El Kebir as an example of British anything other than duplicity is an example that only the British will appreciate.

Darla had repeatedly assured the British that the fleet would not fall under Axis control and it must be remembered that while Vichy France existed as a "separate" entity no state of War existed between the UK and France.

This is an issue that still causes huge resentment in France. The British took a decision to bombard the French fleet at North African moorings rather than accept French assurances. The French felt fully entitled to hold their fleet as they still held a Government and territories outside of immediate Axis control. They refused to hand the ship's over and the attack on the Vichy French were an act of war, undeclared and at odds with the honourable British 😉

For many in France Mers El Kebir and the other British bombardments are an act of betrayal akin to Pearl Harbour, the Red Wedding and Ballymurphy rolled into 1.

To use it as a point in support of "Great" Britain is quite a deliberate and very pointed "fúck you" to France and the EU.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953389#Comment_117953389

Well I don’t think I made it a CNN v Fox or Left v Right issue to be fair. It’s an element of political discourse that seems very popular in the US and which channels like GB News and Sky News Australia seem to have adopted very enthusiastically.

I guess though what I find interesting is that many people, who seem to sway towards the Right, bemoan the bulldozer of the allegedly Left-biased media while they (the self-proclaimed free thinkers of this world) only want honest and open debate not shackled by political correctness, wokeism or a Leftist agenda.

The latest tirade from Patrick Christys sums it up really...complete with jingoistic references to the sinking of the French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir.

https://youtu.be/X3pUNFVC7hs

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945172#Comment_117945172

Oh yeah, I'm familiar with that style from CNN. The Don Lemon show particularly. Don't have Fox myself :D

This sort of thing isn't it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBnP5ZxjTc

Tony EH

Mmmmm. I find it to be a rather popular "method" these days, particularly in the US, where this type of message is pumped out. There's no questions asked, there's no counterpoint, there's no argument. It's just simply preaching to the choir. Telling your audience what they want to hear and not allowing any interference happen to the propaganda being issued. There's also a penchant for so called "interviews" to occur between people with exactly the same points of view who are automatically at some sort of consensus as if that was supposed to pass for an open discussion.

It's also accompanied by this idea that if an interviewer offers a counterpoint, asks an awkward question, or even just outright proves the interviewee wrong, then that interviewer is somehow "biased". You'd melt your face reading some YouTube comments under some interviews where people of a particular political persuasion (usually to the right, I have to say) lose their shit and start sqwaking about "biased interviewers". I found it particularly hilarious while watching some YouTube uploads of a show called "Hardtalk' that had fanbois of a particular person start whinging about the "lefty" interviewer because he was asking some difficult questions of the interviewee. The name and purpose of the show was obviously lost on them.

It's been an observation to have over the past 10 years or so and a real indication of just how poor political debate has become.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941621#Comment_117941621

If there is one element of modern political discourse I really can’t stand — it’s this whole “One Person Monologue Speech Into Camera” on news channels which (aside from being annoyingly blatantly designed to slap on YouTube to get hits) often come across like some sort of dystopian propaganda where The Truth is yelled at you. It’s just horrible to watch.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117943566#Comment_117943566

Ah, there's you're misconception - the idea the gambling doesn't have a return.

Sometimes, people just do it for fun and dunt expect a return. You really think that 1 euro bet on elvis returning is an investment...?

Anyway, banning something you dont understand or want to understand is ignorant, and I'm leaving this here as I don't want to drag the thread off topic.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117944021#Comment_117944021

Think you are completely missing my point.

I'm happy for anyone to be able to say anything and for people to make up their own mind by evaluating all the information.

Populism in and of itself is fine , not for me but fine.

Brexit is/was populism and people made a choice on that basis and are now seeing the results - They can decide if it was a good choice on their own.

Here in Ireland , stuff from people like PBP et al saying things like "Earning over 100k is immoral" , "100% tax on all earning above X level" etc. is absolutely populist.

I personally think it's utter bullshit , but let them off and the voters will decide if they believe them or not - And based on the number of far left TD's we have , by and large people don't agree with them, and that's democracy at work.

Trump and his "Build the wall" and the GOP obsession with "trickle down economics" are both Populist in nature. I disagree with them both in terms of their ability to solve the issues they claim to address , but I have no problem with someone wanting to support it or talk about it etc.

Where I draw the line though is outright lies.

Trump is a liar , plain and simple and in the past you'd have hoped that people would see through those lies eventually or that people would objectively make decisions by evaluating the information.

However what we now see in the US is to all intents and purposes , a cult.

The Arizona audit came out and found that Biden actually got a few more votes than previously thought thereby re-confirming his win in the State. Trump stood up at a rally thing over the week-end and said "The Audit proves I won" and the crowd whooped and cheered in agreement.

That's not populism , that's not "diversity of opinion" or even "opinion" - That's lying , plain and simple and the fact that he can not only get away with it , but you have a situation where almost 80% of GOP voters now believe that there was corruption involved in the 2020 Election is an appalling thing.

In the US certainly , they have moved way past "spin" and "alternative viewpoints" and are now just blatantly lying to peoples faces.

That is where my equivocation on my previous "let everyone speak and people will decide for themselves" viewpoint comes from.

I don't begin for a moment to think I know the right answer here , but something needs to be done about it.

TL;DR

Let me put my position like this, using the US as the example.

"Donald Trump was a great President and would have been much better than Biden" - I totally disagree with that view , but I absolutely support a persons right to think/say that.

"Donald Trump actually won the Election and it was stolen from him through fraud" - That's an outright lie and you should not be allowed say that with impunity or without repercussions.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117943592#Comment_117943592

The 'BARBed attacks' line was very clever.

Talk about low expectations.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117943937#Comment_117943937

Unfortunately all the Sunlight currently available to the UK is reserved in anticipation of the soon to be cancelled "sunlit uplands."

We currently have candlelit, or flickering torch lit (Think Nuremberg).

Please confirm how you would like your daily dose of xenophobic nonsense on an SAE.

The lucky name chosen will also receive 24rolls of toilet paper and an additional petrol ration.

**If certain people think "BARBed" is clever? I'm surely in line for a Pulitzer now 😳😮**

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117939706#Comment_117939706

I'm glad you say you have no issue with them broadcasting, clearly some people do,

I've always taken the view that "sunlight is the best disinfectant" in regards to allowing people to have their say and allowing people to make their own minds up.

And GB News are finding out the hard way is that the audience for their particular flavour of opinion really doesn't exist in any large numbers at present in the UK.

However , given the degree to which outright lies have been taken on-board by vast numbers of people in the MAGA universe I am beginning to question my "sunlight" viewpoin as I had thought that people would see through the lies, exaggeration etc. and sadly that is clearly no longer the case.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941621#Comment_117941621

The 'BARBed attacks' line was very clever.

Quite enjoyed this from Andrew Doyle on the Labour party conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINAi3VMzKU

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940477#Comment_117940477

No because at least you get alcohol tobacco and porn for your money instead of throwing it away for nothing.

edit: and I would be happy to see all gambling advertising, like tobacco advertising, banned.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117943248#Comment_117943248

Well according to Mark Dolan, us attacking them from the outside is what makes them stronger. So really we're helping them. I'm happy to do my best to help them as much as possible.