Any professional would be well aware of blood spatter forensics from such a violent manner of attack.
If it was designed to look like a crime of passion, then stabbing slowly or strangulation would suffice?
Further, strangulation would likely prevent the ability for the victim to scream.
Based on that, I can't buy hitman theory.
Further, I think that anyone who would disfigure a defenceless human being to such an extent, could likely have a past history of such actions on animal or other in their past.
Somewhere mentioned of local suicides in years following and supposed admission of "i have done something terrible".
I wonder have their past foreign lives been investigated to find out if there were latent histories, even in childhood?
What a diatribe. “Fanboys” I mean, really, have a word with yourself.
Tosca Toscan De Plantier, Daniel's child with the 4th wife was born in March 1998, so conceived around the 10th of June, 6 months after Sophie's death. So no, 4th wife was not pregnant when Sophie was killed, but their relationship was being reported in French Media well before the pregnancy.
All was not well between Daniel and Sophie's family, but it seems her family thought she wanted a daughter, possibly with Daniel.
"By 1999, Daniel was remarried and not on good terms with Sophie's family. Her aunt Marie Madeleine Opalka told the Irish Times that they didn't approve of his criticism of the police handling the investigation, especially when he hadn't even gone to Ireland in the wake of his wife's murder ("We, the family of Sophie who truly loved her, are grateful to the Irish police")—or that he and his fourth wife had named their new baby girl Tosca, the name Sophie had wanted to give to the daughter she still hoped to have."
Bailey is now a homeless washed up alcoholic, with ailing health, I can't see him lasting more than a few years. If he doesn't secure accommodation in the next few weeks he has no hope of staying in the Schull area. He craves an audience and limelight, if he really can't live without the lime light and he did it, all he has to do is admit it, he will go down in history for fooling us all for 25 years.
I know what you are saying and I honestly don't have the impression either that he could have orchestrated the murder of his wife at least not himself alone. One thing Daniel would have to have done is getting the "underworld contacts" to hire the hitman. I doubt very much that Daniel Toscan du Plantier had any of these contacts, - for that he just doesn't appear to be the type. Maybe a shady friend of his who "consulted him" and organized the whole murder? Some "one in all" solution......
However it's beyond doubt that Daniel Toscan du Plantier would have benefited financially the most of all with his Sophie's death. Husband killing or having wife killed for a financial motive such as a life insurance payout and not having to part with half of his estate whilst avoiding the cost of a divorce all together is one of the "classic murder cases". If the local drug operation was something smaller he had certainly the biggest financial motive. And since both partners had apparently an "open marriage" than sex or cheating wasn't the motive as both partners apparently knew and agreed to these philanderings.
The rest we just don't know. No real evidence, lot's of unanswered questions, lot's of years gone by, some died of natural causes and now only speculations.
Interesting points...who had organised the new fencing and why? Most likely it was Alfie given the location. Were they arguing over the boundary? It's clear from overhead shots that some fencing was being done. Was that line of enquiry followed? It's quite possible an argument escalated and the killer hit Sophie, then panicked and in the spur of the moment decided she needed to be finished off otherwise he was in big trouble for a horrific assault...and maybe other things would be uncovered when he was investigated?
Daniel Du Plantier would not strike me as a sinister individual capable of orchestrating a murder. He was a film producer, not some gangster. Nothing has ever come to light to suggest he had a hand in Sophie's death. The "drug" angle? Again, is incredible. Major shipments of Cocaine, destined for the English market, would have been landed along that stretch of coastline but mostly under the radar of even the Gardai and navy and certainly without the assistance of locals. She crossed some local hippie pot dealer/cultivator who may have been her neighbour Alfie Lyons? I suppose you could say this is not as preposterous a theory as some put forward but that is about it.
Good point. Do you have any information as to how she normally parked, reverse in or drive in?
here we are 25 years later and at the highest level of state, people in Ireland and France are pointing fingers at each other saying.....nothing! It takes a lot of learning to know how to say nothing convincingly, only the very best law students become are chosen as diplomats.
Certainly not. The question is ultimately, did she always park there when she was at the house sort of out of habit, or was this only once, like on the night of the murder or when she expected visitors?
Could this suggest that she was perhaps expecting somebody to visit her...
Aliens??
Another thing that came to my mind: It's probably nothing, but still a detail to consider.
At the night of the murder and the following day, Sophie's rental car, the Fiesta was always parked beside the house, that part which she apparently didn't own. Why did she park there? She has ample parking on her own property on the other side of the house? I mean, you don't normally park on somebody else's land, if you've got space of your own. Could this suggest that she was perhaps expecting somebody to visit her and come by car who would park in the space she owned? This could have been the cleaning lady / caretaker the next morning or somebody planning to visit that evening night?
when a question was asked in Dail Eireann about why the French authorities were not getting answers to questions they had with regard to this case, the reply from, I believe, Minister John O' Donoghue was that any questions were being dealt with through the "usual diplomatic channels". I've employed that term with my children ever since.
He should be on Xanax.
Where is the evidence that Sophie made a complaint about drugs to the Gardaí?
The wine bottle was most probably relevant to the case. Amazing it is gone.
The pregnancy matter surprised me as well. As far as I recall it was mentioned in this forum. Whether it was true or not, I or we don't know. It was alleged that the pathologist didn't mention it, it was also non mentioned in the documentaries.
The fact that it was an "open marriage" makes things even more difficult to understand the circumstances of the murder. It leaves more possibilities more unknown factors.
What I have also found is the following blog. It's a bit of a longer read, but with lot's of information - some true, some speculation:
https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-murder-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier.html
Not in a night dress alone, but the dressing gown on top would provide sufficient warmth and if you were just popping out for a moment it would be more than enough
Yes that’s true.
Daniel and Melita aside, and Alfie and Leo, there’s still Bruno Carbonnet to consider.
He tried to kill Sophie once for gods sake and was his alibi really just a receipt??
Lets not forget the discarded bottle of wine...
You should be a lawyer 😎
In that case it would be very easy to say, spray paint rat on the property \ car.
I guess if we’re willing to consider the possibility that the hit was instructed to look like a crime of passion (which I’m not, but more than willing to entertain the possibility of a hit in general) then it stands to reason that the hit could also have been supposed to look like a punishment for Sophie’s complaints about drugs/as a warning to other ‘snitches’ etc.
Daniel would have known about the drugs in the area, I’m sure Sophie told him that she had made a complaint about it to the guards.
Even more, if as it was suggested Sophie was in the early stages of pregnancy? by Daniel, but Daniel was already looking at his next wife and she was expecting as well??
Look, no one is saying that we all need to be experts here, but if you're going to post something at least take a few minutes to verify your facts.
His next wife was not expecting when Sophie was killed. And no one has verified if the baby he says Sophie was having was supposed to be his or not.
Regarding the aspects of their marriage which you say you have a particular difficulty understanding , they seem to have had what is called an open relationship. He let her phuck who she wanted and she let him phuck who he wanted.
Grasp your pearls!
The thing is Daniel Toscan du Plantier had without doubt the highest motive to get rid of Sophie. Her death without doubt has solved many problems for him.
Also Daniel was apparently in "financial trouble" whatever that meant in Daniel's situation? He must have had motive to end the marriage to avoid a messy and costly divorce, to cash in on the life insurance and get rid of Sophie's unwanted pregnancy, - if the child was actually his?
We don't know what Sophie discussed with Daniel on the phone, we only know that they have had a phone call. What was the urgency to discuss with her husband that couldn't wait until the return to France, with the very husband who was neither too interested in the house in Ireland and spending time with his wife there, nor the marriage to Sophie?
Unless the local drug ring was more lucrative, I'd say Daniel Toscan du Plantier's motive was the highest of all. Often in murder cases it's a "follow the money" thing.
Lyons says he's 90% sure, not 100% as you would expect him to be if he did actually introduce Bailey to her.
true 90% means nothing really
Even stranger is that Daniel Toscan du Plantier buys his wife a house in Ireland so she can spend time there to cheat on the marriage
almost like getting rid of her or giving her a distraction
You see, what some posters like yourself don't realise is that the majority of posters on this thread want to see justice being done, no one is a fanboy of Bailey but at the same time, we don't want to see an innocent man being convicted of the most serious of crimes, its gas you call posters here who doubt Baileys guilt as fanboys but you sound like the biggest one of Nick Foster.
Your post has more than a little arrogance to it & its gas that you then go on to make a series of ridiculous and stupid statements that have been shown many times on this thread if you bothered to read it, as complete nonsense.
So lets look at the actual points you did make apart from the other pile of nonsense you wrote.
1) Baileys telephone call to STDP's office in France. Really? Years after the fact the lady in question decides to come forward with this information. Don't you think it would've been more than a little unusual she didn't come forward with this information earlier and only did so after Sophies family were continuously told of Bailey's guilt by the gards over years. Such a vital piece of evidence, oddball character contacting her friend days before her murder and then decides not to mention it until years after the fact. Yeah right!!
2) Alfie Lyons testimony is as unreliable as they come, both him and his friend Leo Bolger were let off extremely lightly even unbelievably so in relation to serious drug offences, one of them carrying a mandatory term of ten years. To not think him or Leo Bolger weren't in the pockets of the gards is naive in the extreme. Their statements have zero credibility and even with this, Lyons says he's 90% sure, not 100% as you would expect him to be if he did actually introduce Bailey to her.
3) "She was asking members of her family and friends with her to accompany her to Ireland because she was freaked out by Bailey". Why make the trip at all so?!! why put yourself in harms way when you don't need to. On top of this, she was seen by numerous locals before her murder and was said to have been anything but freaked out or nervous. Funny how she didnt make any mention of this odd character Bailey to anyone local in the days leading up to her murder, even to ask what he was like, was he odd, etc?
4) "Bailey would have been able to keep quiet about Sophie" Again, more nonsense, he could have easily mentioned her in passing in a non sexual/romantic context so why would he need to worry about what his partner Jules Thomas would think. If he is a full blown alcoholic as you say, it wouldnt have been one bit surprising for him to say he knew of a French film documentary married to a very successful French producer. Its exactly the type of thing Bailey would have talked about especially after a few drinks as its well known he's a blow hard and likes to be considered amongst the elite in society.
5) Its not unreasonable for Bailey to say he was in bed all night initially because no doubt at that stage, he knew through various media sources he was being set up for the murder by the gards and he knew that without an alibi, he'd be potentially in deep ****. I dont blame him one bit for this, its the sign of someone who is maybe panicking because he was being painted as the murderer falsely. He did write an article that night however and this has since been corroborated by the paper in question. When Jules Thomas was wrongfully arrested and then heavily pressured with regard to her statement, she frequently mentions how the gards continuously told her Bailey did it.
6) This is the funniest part of all. So you actually believe Bailey was going around West Cork back then, naked & howling at the moon in the middle of winter after a few drinks. And then that night, proceeds to walk miles to Sophies home, murders her in the most horrific and violent of ways because she rejected his advances before walking another 4km to Kealfadda bridge to wash himself clean & then walking all the way home, then shortly after, making his partner Jules a cup of coffee before then deciding to report on the crime. Sounds like Hercules to me and one of the best actors around.
7) A man falling off a cliff is one thing, a women being murdered in the most horrific fashion in an area where there hasnt been a murder in god knows how long is another thing. So what if he wasn't his usual self especially after a heavy night on the sauce, its not unreasonable either but on top of this, you're given credence to the gards in this instance but have sought to discredit them in many other instances. Either you believe they did a good job or they didn't, you cant pick and choose what aspects of the investigation you want to include in your post. Get off the fence.
8) Each point of evidence needs to be looked at in isolation because otherwise you get miscarriages of justice. If the evidence from one witness is flawed, it may totally discredit another piece of evidence. And the vast majority of evidence in this case is flawed because it relies on corrupt garda statements, witnesses who have a strong motive to lie on top of zero hard evidence even though the chief suspect was willing to give up his DNA. The french system took into account statements from Marie Farrell, Leo Bolger, Alfie Lyons amongst others which have long since been discredited/retracted and rightly so but they didnt want to hear it, mainly because of the pressure the French government have been put under from STDP's family.
9) Nobody is definitely saying it was a night time or morning killing but its not unreasonable to assume it was either. The wet circular drops of blood on her body and clothes would have pointed to a morning killing rather than a night time one as well as the food type she had eaten which were found in her stomach. Nobody knows for certain either way & no one is saying for certain.
10) STDP's husband had serious motive to murder her, Bailey didnt. A very high percentage of murders of married women involve their husbands one way or the other. The Irish gards were not allowed to properly investigate the French connection. He was in financial difficulty, he had a new partner pregnant within a couple of months, he refused to accompany the family to Cork, he said he didnt think Sophie would have an affair but this was found to be nonsense as Bruno Carbonnair gave a statement confirming she had at least one with him and that her husband knew of it. It wasnt at all unreasonable Bailey would have thought as an investigate journalist at the time that he might have had something to do with it.
11) Everybody knows the garda investigation into this crime was at best incompetent, at worst, highly corrupt with a motive. Just because people rightfully believe this was the case, doesn't mean they wouldn't have been able to get one shred of evidence linking Bailey to the crime, not one iota even though they were trying to pin it on him. Strikes me as highly strange in a murder as violent as this from a crazy drunk guy roaming around the countryside in the middle of winter miles from his home howling at the moon.
Your post has to be one of the most ridiculous ones I've seen on this thread.
The French side of things could be squared away, anyone male could have signed that.
But if you wanted to get from France to Ireland, would there be a record of passengers on flights in 1996 if the police on either side went looking? Or was it just a case of show passport?
I suppose a fake passport could have been used also.
People who are loaded with money get up to all sorts. I was looking at the Ian Bailey libel trial where some drawings from his diaries were supposedly proof of his twisted mind.In my own case a school friend was renowned for the lifelike detail he could put in his sketches and they were a bit farther out there than Bailey's. I don't know what it makes me and my friends when we used to pass these around under the desk in 5th year.
Sophie met Tomi Ungerer the day before she died. He saw his whole career destroyed in the US for the unacceptable nature of his drawings. Easily found online. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
I also found that very strange like so many things about this murder case. Apparently he signed a receipt for some telephone installation. This might be true or not, these things can probably easily be forged, or be something constructed. We don't know. How much das a field technician really remember in terms of faces if he has 20 or 30 calls in a city to do? No idea on that one....
Even stranger is that Daniel Toscan du Plantier buys his wife a house in Ireland so she can spend time there to cheat on the marriage and sleep with Bruno and various others. And it's beyond imagination that Daniel was complete oblivious to his wife's sexual freedoms.
I am often asking myself whether Sophie and Daniel were both of sound mind or what their understanding of marriage would have been.......
Maybe Daniel wanted his wife to be away, so he could also cheat.....
Another thing to speculate.
"https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-bruno-carbonnet-now/
Her ex boyfriend who had been to the house a number of times and had been violent towards her, at least once in view of others in Paris.
His alibi is a receipt.. He signed for something at his apartment on the date in question.. Is that a 'rock solid' alibi?
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