Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

My point would be the numbers. How many people in the UK would be 'directly' affected by the phenomenon of their wages being forced down because of EU migrant workers.....are we talking well under 1% of the workforce? Seems it's just being used as an excuse by the usual suspects to attack the EU. It could only be happening in very specific industries that attract migrant workers in large numbers such as haulage and farm work.

its more complicated then that surely, firstly labour is always demand and supply, you would only need to look at the construction industry to figure that out, secondly if talking about trucking then in this case UK employers were and still are competing against German and Polish companies for example.

Look on the bright side, A HGV driver can now earn more than a NHS diversity manager 😄 so good in this case to see useful blue collar and difficult work being rewarded

The visas are for only three months duration and end on Christmas Eve :

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1441877863498719237

That's a bit unfair. There's various reasons why people use different standards for the same tasks.

I weigh myself in stones.

And babies still continue to land in this world in pounds and ounces.

I'm a land surveyor by trade and I'm currently working as a GIS Analyst, and you can bet your house that I'd be committed to Dundrum before I'd be using anything but SI units in work.

There's cultural reasons why stones and pounds are used on RTÉ's OT. I've no idea why you feel that there's a "dumbening" involved here. Ridiculous.

As usual a post is so nose close to the wall that they can't step back and look at a wider picture. Immigration stimulates economic activity across the board resulting in more jobs and faster increases in wages. It does in reality the entirely opposite of what your think it does.

I would suggest taking two steps back from the wall take a look left and take a look right you may actually see what the reality is in terms of improvements for everyone. I'd even go as far as suggesting most people on the ground have no actual problems with immigration at all because people aren't actually jingoistic lunatics like farage using fears as a tool and a wedge to make money off people.

The notion that immigration actual harms the Economy is laughable. But I would love for you to prove how it has diminished the lives of workers. Shoot!

I remember the Skynews or BBC reporters in the Italian covid wards when it was taking off there but when it hit Britain they didn't do the same. It was such a weird thing, fine to stick their beak into other peoples horror but stay stum when it's own.

Another thing is will EU licenses be accepted commercially?

If they do allow it it may open up other precedents that will not be able to back down from.

There is virtually nothing in this visa scheme offer that would appeal to EU drivers, not unless they were offering them £3000 a week or something to do the job.

My primary point of reference is the Patricks St. store which at 50k sq feet is a decent size for Marks. The other is Douglas, while a lot smaller is also grocery/drapery. It’s be a shame to lose them, not only for the jobs lost, but it’s be another vacancy on already diminished Main Street. They were fantastic employers too, my sister worked there part time while I was in Dunnes. To say there was a difference in benefits (even to part timers like ourselves) would be an understatement, it was night and day.

Convolved is right in a way, they’re a terrible bellwether for Irish stores, but they do highlight an awful lot of the issues surrounding Brexit to an inwardly focused British outfit. To centralise distribution in Scotland three or four years back is just a head scratcher. But then again Marks do seem to have a talent for less than stellar executive appointments.

They're not wrong.

What's the problem?

There's dealers switched to importing used European cars from Japan as it's cheaper than from Britain.