That would be me.
We have I think about 12 spaces and over 100 staff, through the lockdowns etc those of us that had to be in the office used the spaces so there was normally about 8/9 cars in depending on the day. So when we are fully back in the office we won’t really add many cars to the road just different cars.
That would also be the last 4 people I've hired.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1001/1250047-pwc-remote-working/
"Employees who opt to work virtually full-time from a lower-cost location would see their pay decrease, she added."
Luckily Ireland is too small for such a concept to make sense here.
Like many things where employees are treated like second-class citizens, that is applicable to the US
Fine with me. I moved house to somewhere I can pretty much only do remote. Rent alone is going to save me 6000 a year. Commute costs saves another 1000. All in all, the move is worth more than a 10k a year raise.
Would you accept a wage decrease just because you are not attending the office though?
Me, and the whole team of 10 that I work with as well.
We are hiring, by the way.
I love that people are still replying to that post lol
Unlikely in my field but if it was a choice of more money in the office or less remote, I'd choose less and remote.
Not really what I asked. If it was a case, as per the article linked, that your employer introduced wage cuts for those working remotely, would you accept a wage cut?
”Employees who opt to work virtually full-time from a lower-cost location would see their pay decrease, she added.”
Its a moot point as an employer in Ireland can't impose pay cuts for remote workers
So you’d be providing an employer with an office for yourself, a higher electricity bill for yourself, invasion into your personal space at home and that of your family and get paid less for the privilege? Great deal, sure :o
It's not totally unheard of. For years in the UK it's been common for companies to have a London rate and a rest of the UK rate which might be a few thousand difference. But it will come down to the industry, the skills required and who has the upper hand the employer or the employee.
Again, not what I asked.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0816/1241051-working-from-home-pay-cut-bonus/
Regardless, its a moot point as it does not apply to remote working in the Irish context.
Now, if you wish to frame your question as "if you were working in the US, would you accept a paycut to remain remote" then that would be different.
In that context I would say no, I would change jobs instead and likely get a bump in salary as a result and maintain WFH.
Once you hit age 50, the chances of getting a wage increase with a new job decrease.
An employer in Ireland cannot unilaterally cut wages based on address. But if you want to change the workplace listed in your employment contract, you will likely find that the employer wants to change some things too.
I ask this not knowing the answer, is there an established reason yet why not reducing wages due to remote working is prohibited?
Eventually an equilibrium is likely to be reached where remote jobs may not be as plentiful and competition increases for those jobs.
That is a rubbish comment about not getting a wage increase. If you are active and learning, why on earth would you not be rewarded for that?
That is thinking straight out of the 70's or 80's.
Yesterday I had a pint with someone who is actively trying to recruit staff for a large company in tech, SAM, as well as customer care, mostly WFH, and he told me that it getting staff of sufficient expertise/quality to actually do the jobs is very difficult atm. There’s huge gaps in some areas and his company is literally struggling because of it. They get the swathes of applications alright, but when it comes to brass tacks the new employees too often decide to leave quickly as the actually job proves just a bit beyond their level of knowledge/experience. The more experienced and qualified folk simply want much higher wages and are invariably settled in good employment elsewhere. He said quality references are a thing of the past, quite unlike when he/I started out in the world of work, people simply prove themselves or otherwise on the job. And as for WFH, people of ability need to be facilitated to mostly do that now, otherwise he would get even fewer recruits.
I asnwered your question. Would I rather work remotely for less money, than in the office for money. My answer yes I would rather work remotely for less money. Any way as I said, I don't foresee it happening in my area. I have some hard to find skills, and the companies I like to work for have embraced remote working.
No, you did not.
If applying for two jobs and the remote paid less, you would accept it, fair enough, that is what you answered.
What I asked was, if your current job told you that you could wfh, but they were dropping your wages, or, they announced pay increases only for people returning to the office to reflect their higher cost of doing so, would you happily accept that?
I wasn’t asking if you are in demand, or whether you could get a job elsewhere.
Your obsession with getting people to answer a hypothetical that can not be applied to WFH in Ireland is bizarre. Can you elaborate what you are hoping to get out of this? Genuinely curious where this is going
Yes I can, and it isn’t an obsession, it’s just a simple question that the poster doesn’t seem to want to answer. No biggy.
People say they are happier to wfh even if it means they earn less, better work-life balance, family time, less travel etc. Which is all good and well, I assume, until they start to notice that a disparity may arise in wage earned or promotions gained. Will you be happy to earn less, or have slower career progression if that occurs?
A poster earlier said that in Ireland, wages could not be decreased for remote workers, I asked is there is a legislative basis for this? There seems to be some concern among workers that this may indeed come to pass.
It depends on the industry and circumstances, but I suspect in many cases things will pan out the opposite to what you suggest Dav. Rather than employees who opt to work remotely part or all of the time falling behind (on pay or promotions), I think it will be employers that refuse to be flexible and force staff back into the office that will struggle to retain and recruit good people.
That took 2 seconds of googling. I'm sure there is more info out there should you wish to learn more
And yet there have been numerous articles over the past couple of weeks (google is your friend) which say it could be a possibility as the contract of employment is being changed from an agreement whereby the employee attends a particular location for work, to one where they stay at home.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/working-from-home-could-come-at-a-cost-1.4644907
If I loved the role and they said you can continue to WFH but we are reducing your pay, or you can earn the same or more money by going to the office. I would choose the WFH option.
If apply for two jobs and one was WFH but offered less money, versus an in office role which offered more, I would go with the WFH role.
Does that answer your question?
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