If you had went to the bother of reading my post correctly,which you did'nt,you'd have read "sf voters",I never mentioned the party.
it's no less a silly statement, I guess there's as much evidence that sinn fein voters don't like catholics or muslims as there is that fg voters don't like homeless people or those in receipt of social welfare.
are statements like this really allowed to remain unchallenged?
Well, we do know that SF voters are more likely to be anti-vaxxers so there might be evidence out there of other prejudices that they hold.
Complete made up nonsense.
Can you show proof SF led Dublin City Council during that seven to eight year period? No. It's made up.
What is the minister for housing and local authorities for, a figurehead for cutting ribbons? 😎
The poster claimed SF were 'the biggest stopper of housing in Ireland'. I asked for back up. He gave none. Now you are claiming they controlled housing in Dublin. Proof? None.
I would not take the word of a consistent liar currently under criminal investigation.
What prejudices? Be specific. Tell us what you really think about a large part of the population.
As far as I know, Sinn Fein were the largest party in Dublin City Council from 2014 to 2019.
As far as I rember, they didn't manage to build many houses they did do other useful stuff such as flying the Palestinian flag from City Hall.
Sinn Fein voters tend to be more anti-immigrant than other parties.
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Oh, as far as you know? Fair enough 😎
Aye, indeed.
What's that got to do with SF voters who I posted this morning are one of the highest against taking in Afghan refugees.
Consistent polls have shown this.
They will get a massive shock when they realise they won't be getting a free gaff ahead of da foreigners under SF.
He claimed they were more anti immigrant than other parties. I showed FG courted and defended a woman wanted re-education camps. It's all there in the post you quoted.
So the majority of the electorate were vaccine hesitant and weary of too many immigrants. Seems fair.
Yes they'll have to make do with D4 apartments under FF/FG/Green and be glad of it 😎
But it's not is it?
They have blocked housing estates all across Dublin for made up reasons to make the housing issue worse. IT is very easy to find all the details and even FG released a document listing them all. How many people would be off the street if those 6000 houses got built?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-has-opposed-building-of-6-000-homes-across-dublin-says-fine-gael-report-1.4602893
Offered to a SF led DCC for half price but was rejected and now in the hands of a property developer. Those terrible terrible developers.
They ran DCC into the ground and no houses got built, now are complaining about housing.
"as far as you know, Fair enough"
"Fine Gael supporters were strongest in support of offering to settle migrants with 61 per cent of them in favour while Sinn Féin voters were most strongly opposed with more than 70 per cent against the move"
Less than FF/FG, but sure show me over the 7 or 8 year period? Says they were up 9 that election. I suspect this is all you could find. Also is the argument the government have no say in housing? Are we admitting it was woeful or giving credit to SF?
No they didn't.
FF 11
FG 9
SF 8
This is where you tell me in retrospect the council were right 😎
I post that SF were biggest party in DCC from 2014-2019. You questioned my recollection so I provide a link that confirms what I said.
Your response: "I suspect this is all you could find".
I think it's time to bring back Francie.
As long as they go to the camps?
Fair enough. They were the biggest party. This doesn't show they controlled housing in Dublin. That was the claim. FF/FG had more seats and the government. That was the 'discussion'.
The only logic to your response is that you are suggesting that Sinn Fein voters should instead vote for Verona Murphy because she reflects their views better.
If you didn't know that SF and their left-wing colleagues controlled Dublin City Council from 2014 to 2019 and blocked every solution to the housing problem, then you haven't really been following the issue closely.
That's not logic really now is it? The claim was supported by a report from 2015 which stated the majority of the electorate wanted restrictions. This was all based on the claim SF voters, the public, didn't like immigrants. Direct Provision awaits.
Was FG supported a candidate wanted to put them into re-education camps.
I now know for certain Sinn Fein didn't control the council. Were you lying or just wrong? Nice subtle shift to include 'and their left wing colleagues', noted.
You are either giving SF credit for the great works in housing or admitting housing was bad and blaming SF. Can you clarify which?
Absolute gaslighting on the Glass Bottle Site mess. NAMA offered the site at a deep discount to DCC and Eoghan Murphy refused to finance the deal. That sh*tshow belongs to FG and they need to own it.
Just because some bumfluff researchers in their early 20s in FG HQ slapped together a document of Orwellian proportions trying to turn reality on its head with FG's bungled record on housing doesn't mean people will swallow it.
The evidence is clear from those opinion polls that SF voters are more anti-immigrant than other voters.
Allegations about one candidate don't stack up against that. This is nearly as bad as the idiocy yesterday where it was argued because one politician had anti-semitic views in the far distant past before he joined FG and Varadkar once said something against abortion that FG was suddenly a far-right party. The plural of anecdote is not data, it is more silliness.
The Housing crisis is the Fine Gael generated housing crisis. Zoom in to granular policy and the actions of ministers right down to FG council members and it's obvious, take the helicopter view and it's also obvious who let the sh*tshow happen and actually made it worse.
The words Fine Gael are inextricably linked with the housing crisis and they've earned every bit of that reputation. Mangled 'research' distorting the complexity of housing matters at a council level from YFG members with no hair on their chin and their cheap Marks and Spencers suits hoping to make eye contact with a TD so they'll give them a job as a spad should be mocked for the cheap gaslighting swill it is.
Yes, in line with the majority of the electorate. Are you suggesting anyone who didn't want an open door policy in 2015 was anti-immigrant?
No. I Gave you the facts that historically FG had far right roots. You said historically they did not. I showed they brought a vocal antisemite into their fold and let him stay after he spouted more antisemitism in the Dail and he wasn't alone in that party.
I added that in modern times the leader of FG as recently as 2010, campaigned to deny rape victims access to abortion and against allowing same sex couples the same rights as others. I said that made them right wing IMO. Stop lying please.
You going to dodge this?: You are either giving SF credit for the great works in housing or admitting housing was bad and blaming SF. Can you clarify which?
They'll not return to this after I pointed out FF had the most council seats followed by FG.
They won't clarify if the housing situation over the last decade or so was great and SF should get credit or terrible and SF should get credit. Dancing on the head of a pin they are, bless.
The crisis belongs to them, they get beaten around the legs and the feet with it by the electorate so it's a real source of trauma for them. The 'clever boys and girls' party aren't so clever and it breaks their brain. Don't forget this is the party that spent the runup to the last election trying to convince citizens there was no problem (and the regular "Green Party" crew on here were at it too) - only when they got savaged at the ballot box did the penny drop they weren't going to get away with it any more, so...*focus group*...blame Sinn Fein???
It's oh so chilling
Once again, you are all over the place. The period being talked about was 2014 - 2019, the council being talked about was Dublin City Council.
Sinn Fein had the most seats - fact.
Sinn Fein, together with other left-wing parties controlled the council - fact.
Sinn Fein, together with other left-wing parties blocked housing developments during this time - fact.
they had an election in 2019, the one Mary Lou got hammered in and nearly sacked in case you forgot
