No not just muslims but Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
I would have an issue with the teachings of Islam not muslims, its a nuanced view I know but there you are.
I have issues with the teaching of all religions. I think all religions are bullshit. But, I dont have any issues with others who believe in their religion.
Neither do I believe that Islam is ever going to have any kind of affect on the laws of Ireland.
Do you believe the social issues they are having in France would happen here ? If not, can you say why we would be different ?
France has very large Muslim communities. These are not mostly immigrants, but French citizens of Muslim background. France was a major colonial power which invaded and ran many colonies in majority Muslim countries for centuries. As a result of that connection, there have been large Muslim communities in France for nearly a century. This was not a notable issue until the recent wave of radical Islamic attacks, which have succeeded in polarising the society of France, as I'm sure the so-called jihadists wanted.
Ireland has no large Muslim communities. No colonial past (unlike the e.g. UK/England), which has always led to segregation and institutional racism in France for a long time. This is an important factor when considering the current situation, not everything stems from Islam. Some problems were already there in the social dimension. Over many generations, the French/Muslim population of France has developed a sense of victimisation due to their history in French society.
In Ireland there are very few second and even less third generation Muslims, is mostly recent arrivals. It is a well-known fact that most of the radicalised individuals which attacked Europe were at least second-generation citizens or later.
Which societal issues?
In Ireland there are very few second and even less third generation Muslims, is mostly recent arrivals. It is a well-known fact that most of the radicalised individuals which attacked Europe were at least second-generation citizens or later
Cool then we can relax now, and let our children sort it. Just another problem we give them to inherit and deal with it, on top of everything else.
Or like you they can just pick and choose parts of facts to justify their irrationally, fear-generated hatred of others and become complete bigots like mum and dad.
I'm sure that will work out just fine too.
For one example, the murder of one teacher and the threatening of another because they speak about islam. These threats being seen as very likely to be followed through on by the French authorities. France also have laws, do you believe issues such as these would manifest in Ireland as they have in France and if not why not?
Should Spain round up and deport all Irish citizens from Spain?
Did the Irishman kill him because he drew a picture of Ireland? And is that a law that all strict Irish people believe in?
Should the Spanish give a damn why the Irish man committed a murder in their country? There is a law against murdering people in Spain, for any reason.
So I'm bigoted because I'm concerned about the growth of a dangerous religion/ideology that actually destroyed nations, but you aren't bigoted for looking down at me, or are you?
You see no difference between 1. the killing an innocent people because they don't believe in the islamic God and prophet and don't live their lives according to the rules that religion sets out and 2. a drunken fight over a woman in a pub ? Its no business of mine what Spain do.
Bigot:
You tell me what applies to you.
What's the difference in law?
Nice pivot, but I'm talking of societal issues that have been visited upon France as an argument against Multi-Culturalism and why those same issues would not be visited upon Ireland.
I'm not sure what you're asking here?
if you're asking is it possible that those particular crimes could.happen here, then yes, it's possible. Anything is possible.
Everyone can commit crime and I'll just point out that it doesn't matter one bit why they say they committed the crime.
so yes, crimes will happen in the future, Muslims may commit crimes in this country, as do many other religions and nationalities. They will be treated the same, justice is blind.
There is no difference.
in both cases someone has been murdered and someone else is guilty of that murder.
do you see some difference?
Yes.
What difference do you see?
And I've written on this thread extensively about how the potential outcomes of those societal issues (like the incredibly sad murder of the person in France) are already covered by our laws. Murder in the name of Allah or in the name of Heineken, is murder. Is why we have laws and follow them. Not our fear or instincts.
This warmongering and fearmongering against any and all Islamic peoples will only accelerate social issues in our country. Can't you see that? The 'othering' of innocent people. The exclusion and finger pointing are the best manure for polarisation to emerge here, just like in France.
One is religiously motivated, the attackers say so themselves, has adherents who believe that those who do not follow their religion are enemies in a literal holy war and should be subdued by any means. Have committed multiple atrocities worldwide in recent years in the name of this religion.
The other is a single drunken man who killed another man in a drunken fight on a holiday. He should be deported and jailed for life but I do not believe he has confessed to being a part of a movement that wishes to see their way of life and religion imposed on all others.
Can you please answer and question I put to you twice now, do you believe the issues such the ones I linked to in my previous posts in France could take place in Ireland and if not why not ?
Interesting article here about Sweden:
Two things stand out, the term "humiliation-robbery" which is a typically Swedish way of not saying race based crimes against ethnic Swedish children and women.
Also the middle and upper classes in Sweden who have been cheer-leading mass immigration into Sweden and Europe are starting to go strangely quiet as the areas they live in are now suffering some of the consequences. You could almost call them hypocrites.
Fecking hell most of that definition could apply to the majority of adherents to a major religion.
Quislings who despise their own.
I have already answered that question.
There is no difference in murder in law. Someone is dead, someone else is guilty of murdering them.
It doesn't matter why they committed murder, merely that they did it. Same result, same conviction, same sentence. No difference.
Wait just a second. Not so fast. If I'm a Spaniard and hear of an Irishman killing an Englishman of all people, I would be massively justified in suspecting some connection to a movement there. "They haven't gone away you know..." remember? so don't be so quick to dismiss how others beyond this little island might view us, taking into account what the IRA spent a hell of a long of time doing to British nationals. And there of course you would be hurrying to explain to the Spanish authorities and people, that that's all in the past now and Irish people aren't defined by that, THAT IT WAS THE ACTIONS OF A FEW, etc... well, that's exactly what 99% of Muslims are telling you. Yet you remain oblivious.
I see that you always appeal to this in law argument as if it negates the larger societal issues that Europe is experiencing with the growth of islam. Viewing these incidents in isolation to avoid the larger issues multi-culturalism is bringing forth in countries in Western Europe.
Or you could call the article an opinion piece by a journalist
You seem to be extremely "illiberal toward the opinions of others".
Did the man shout Ireland is the greatest before decapitating him ? Was the motivation the perceived insult to Michael Collins or over a woman in a pub ? Why don't you listen to the people who commit these atrocities when they tell us why they are committing them ?
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