And I've written on this thread extensively about how the potential outcomes of those societal issues (like the incredibly sad murder of the person in France) are already covered by our laws. Murder in the name of Allah or in the name of Heineken, is murder. Is why we have laws and follow them. Not our fear or instincts.
This warmongering and fearmongering against any and all Islamic peoples will only accelerate social issues in our country. Can't you see that? The 'othering' of innocent people. The exclusion and finger pointing are the best manure for polarisation to emerge here, just like in France.
What difference do you see?
Yes.
There is no difference.
in both cases someone has been murdered and someone else is guilty of that murder.
do you see some difference?
I'm not sure what you're asking here?
if you're asking is it possible that those particular crimes could.happen here, then yes, it's possible. Anything is possible.
Everyone can commit crime and I'll just point out that it doesn't matter one bit why they say they committed the crime.
so yes, crimes will happen in the future, Muslims may commit crimes in this country, as do many other religions and nationalities. They will be treated the same, justice is blind.
Nice pivot, but I'm talking of societal issues that have been visited upon France as an argument against Multi-Culturalism and why those same issues would not be visited upon Ireland.
What's the difference in law?
Bigot:
You tell me what applies to you.
You see no difference between 1. the killing an innocent people because they don't believe in the islamic God and prophet and don't live their lives according to the rules that religion sets out and 2. a drunken fight over a woman in a pub ? Its no business of mine what Spain do.
So I'm bigoted because I'm concerned about the growth of a dangerous religion/ideology that actually destroyed nations, but you aren't bigoted for looking down at me, or are you?
Should the Spanish give a damn why the Irish man committed a murder in their country? There is a law against murdering people in Spain, for any reason.
Did the Irishman kill him because he drew a picture of Ireland? And is that a law that all strict Irish people believe in?
Should Spain round up and deport all Irish citizens from Spain?
For one example, the murder of one teacher and the threatening of another because they speak about islam. These threats being seen as very likely to be followed through on by the French authorities. France also have laws, do you believe issues such as these would manifest in Ireland as they have in France and if not why not?
Or like you they can just pick and choose parts of facts to justify their irrationally, fear-generated hatred of others and become complete bigots like mum and dad.
I'm sure that will work out just fine too.
In Ireland there are very few second and even less third generation Muslims, is mostly recent arrivals. It is a well-known fact that most of the radicalised individuals which attacked Europe were at least second-generation citizens or later
Cool then we can relax now, and let our children sort it. Just another problem we give them to inherit and deal with it, on top of everything else.
Which societal issues?
France has very large Muslim communities. These are not mostly immigrants, but French citizens of Muslim background. France was a major colonial power which invaded and ran many colonies in majority Muslim countries for centuries. As a result of that connection, there have been large Muslim communities in France for nearly a century. This was not a notable issue until the recent wave of radical Islamic attacks, which have succeeded in polarising the society of France, as I'm sure the so-called jihadists wanted.
Ireland has no large Muslim communities. No colonial past (unlike the e.g. UK/England), which has always led to segregation and institutional racism in France for a long time. This is an important factor when considering the current situation, not everything stems from Islam. Some problems were already there in the social dimension. Over many generations, the French/Muslim population of France has developed a sense of victimisation due to their history in French society.
In Ireland there are very few second and even less third generation Muslims, is mostly recent arrivals. It is a well-known fact that most of the radicalised individuals which attacked Europe were at least second-generation citizens or later.
Do you believe the social issues they are having in France would happen here ? If not, can you say why we would be different ?
I have issues with the teaching of all religions. I think all religions are bullshit. But, I dont have any issues with others who believe in their religion.
Neither do I believe that Islam is ever going to have any kind of affect on the laws of Ireland.
No not just muslims but Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
I would have an issue with the teachings of Islam not muslims, its a nuanced view I know but there you are.
Do you think multiculturalism is just muslim? Or is it just Muslims you have an issue with?
I would treat all crimes exactly As they are treated now.
What's your point?
Lebanon is a Muslim majority country that is not a strict islamic state.
ever been there?
I don't have the solution so thats why Im wary of having a more Multi-cultural Ireland , you seem to be gung-ho for having a multi-cultural Ireland so what would you suggest to make sure this doesn't happen here like it did in France ?
You showed statistics on one poll carried out. I don't know anything about the poll, how it was carried out, on who, where.
Statistics can be misused and misleading.
First country on your list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon#Law
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon#LGBT_rights
What would you suggest to make sure that doesn't happen here?
We already showed the statistics, MOST are against Western values .
The vast majority already here are not compatible. You ignored the statistics
Lebanon
Malaysia
Indonesia
Albania
Bosnia
Kosovo
Turkey
Azerbaijan
Tunisia
Morocco
A lot of the 'Stans' of central Asia, not Pakistan or Afghanistan, obvs!
We do not need these problems here Bubbly:
https://apnews.com/article/paris-europe-ea16d38eabdb94819caedfb28c048950
French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said Thursday a state school teacher who allegedly received death threats after writing an open letter on the threat of radical Islam to teachers has been offered the highest level of state protection.
Lemaire, a philosophy teacher, said he received death threats after he wrote an open letter saying the state did not do enough to protect teacher Samuel Paty.
Paty was beheaded last October by 18-year-old Abdullakh Anzorov, after he showed cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in a class on freedom of expression.
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