Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Actually going to visit the border, would be a good start.

She has visited the border. Do you expect her to go there every week or what?

And she is. Apart from going into Mexico itself and stopping people from getting near the border, what do you think she should be actually doing to stop people trying to get access to the US?

America is actively seeking to give itself advantages over its neighbours, which while perfectly reasonable in isolation, means that people in the less advantaged country will always look to better themselves and their families. It is the American way.

So removing jobs, moving production, cutting aid etc, will all have an impact on the number of people looking to get access to this better situation.

Simply putting a gate or fence and telling people its illegal won't stop them because the rewards far outweigh the risks. When you feel you have nothing to lose, why would anything be a deterrent?

So what exactly do you think Biden, or indeed Harris, should be doing? Remembering that Trump did almost everything he could to make it as complicated and inhumane as possible and still it didn't stop the flow.

Thats a silly argument. People don't know how to fix cars but they know when its not working, thats why they go to a mechanic. These issues are real and just because non-elected people don't know how to solve them doesn't mean they cant criticise/question the people who campaigned and got votes saying they could solve these problems or at least handle them better than their political opponents. I don't think you would have made this argument against those who criticised the previous administration.

Really !? whoa, you really did something there.... 🙄

Its an analogy.

How so ? Because someone doesn't have the solution to the Afghanistan issue and the Southern Border issue they shouldn't criticise those who's job it is to do so ?

A car is a series of mechanics. If something mechanical is broken, it's straightforward to fix once it's been diagnosed and the part can be replaced.

There's nothing straightforward regarding America's issue with illegal immigration. It's far more complex, which is why the car analogy is nonsense and ill-thought out.

I agree it's very complicated and a very sad situation for those caught in the middle.

So you do think that unless I personally have policy solutions to Afghanistan and the Southern Border I shouldn't criticise the people in charge of these issues ? Strange position but you are welcome to it.

And to be critical one surely must have some idea how it should be better. Going back to the car analogy, its like going to your mechanic and saying 'the car just feels a bit odd' and expecting them to sort it out.

People know when a car isn't working, because they have driven it before, have been in other cars etc. You are offering nothing to base your opinion that the border should be fixed. Just that something is wrong, and something should be done.

With that lack of detail then the problem will never actually be fixed as you have no idea what the problem is never mind what the solution would look like.

You didn't like the analogy, fine, I don't really care but you seem to agree with my point so thats grand.

"Well, no. Not necessarily. One can be critical of something without having to automatically offer a better way or another solution. It can often help if the critic can be of assistance in improving things that aren't working but it's not a necessary requirement of criticism..."