LOL !
Them Philips Hue blubs - you gotta love em' ! Until you realize how much you've spent on "flamin' light bulbs" alone after 6 months when you've done like 20-30 of them.
Mine was a d2 when I bought it. Put in a new oil boiler and a door in the hallway. It went to a C1 and jumped to B3 after the panels went in.
yep, I also have the new stainless factory insulated immersion tank I forgot to mention, and the entire house is lit with Philips Hue LED bulbs...
Yeah, you've got to have moved it up a bit Andy. Some other ones (which you've probably done?) are replacing your old halogens with LEDs and slapping a lagging jacket on the immersion tank and irrespective of the BER rating, you should do anyway. I put a 2nd lagging jacket on my own one there recently as the one which was there was a bit ragged to be honest. Gaps where it didn't quite fit etc.
Hard to tell the improvement, but it does seem like the water stays warm for longer. Course that might be me assigning positive bias towards it.....
It's just the kWp that's relevant, battery/EDDI etc are not taken into account, there's a formula here somewhere if the new Boards had a decent search facility!
I'd like to think I also moved up from C3 to perhaps C2 since we moved in... Attic converted and insulated with modern insulation, new composite front door completely sealing off any draughts, and an inset stove replacing an open gas fire.
What should a 3-4kW solar system & Battery/Eddi increase a BER rating by does anybody know?
Using myself as an example, I looked at recent house sales in the estate and current ones too, they all had BER quotes and the worst one was original 70's windows and had something like an F (if that exists) rating, another house had the double glazing etc done and was a D something, based on that and knowing what else I had done to our own place I went with Post BER only, ended up with a B1 but should have been in the A but BER crowd downgraded my oil burner even though I have efficeincy tests proving it was above the magic 86% ( I think it's 86% ), silly system.
Deffo better than B1 now in any case as added additional 3.3kWp string since initial PV install
Doesn't the house need to be at least a C3 in order to qualify for the grant? I'd say a lot of houses that haven't been bought/sold since the BER requirement came in will never have had a BER done.
When I applied for my grant and put in my MPRN, they were able to tell me the house was a C3 as it was tested in 2014 prior to going on sale for when we bought it.
I don't think that's where it came from, it came from the SaaS offering of a 2.5kW array for 2,400 end cost to the user. That really put the prices of other suppliers into perspective and cost per kW installed is the best metric to compare quotes
Why a Pre BER, if you have a reasonable home then you only need a Post BER, look to other houses of similar era sold recently in your area for BER indication e.g. in same estate
Hopefully they won't be increasing the prices as time goes on. I have tried contacting them via phone and email with no reply. When I was calling yesterday I got a text message saying that they would get back to me. Let's see how long I am waiting.
Yea I spoke with him also. I got the impression they’re very busy too.
My Pre-BER was completed on the 2nd Sep, I haven’t heard a word back since, despite sending them an email(the usual method of communication)
I hope it’s not gonna be a the same if I ever get it installed and need support
In talking to the boss when he was at my place, they are having trouble getting parts in and are just swamped with orders.
They should be coming back to people though
If you’re planning the saas guys, order it ASAP if you want it installed by spring, they are extremely slow. I gave them the go ahead 2 months ago after I got the quote, I’ve had the pre BER done by them and then no contact in over 3 weeks since.
I've asked for a price for 8x380w if they can do them but I think I'll be going with the SaaS guys regardless.
Saas is the way to go.
It's 2400 after grant for 7 panels and then pay another 400 up front for your eight panel.
Do the diverter DIY.
I can't get near some of the prices here and have gone with the companies recommended. I'm stuck with limited roof and ground space so will only get 8 panels on a south-facing roof there is an east-facing roof the same size but none of the installers is keen on it.
The cheapest quote I have from the SaaS co for a 2.5kw system with a water diverter(-€1200 without) is €4200 after grant incl BER
Next up for a 3kw system with water diverter(-€400 without) is €4950 after grant incl BER and the last quote I have for a 2.7kw system with water diverter (-€400 without) is €5400 after grant and no BER from our Northern friends.
I'm thinking I might go with the SaaS guys and drop the water diverter as it looks like it can be DIY'd(Brother in law is a Sparks) and wouldn't interfere with the solar system itself?
On the way
can i get a pm naming the enniskillen installer
I never knew the thinking behind that graememk - I like that math.
I always went the other way - thinking of what it would cost me myself to do it. Approx 3x panels needed to make up 1kwp as they are ~350watts each. Panels cost retail about €150-200 each, so you'd be looking at ~€500 for 3 panels. Course the installers get them a little cheaper than we do as they get them ex vat and in bulk, but just doing rough approx here.
Then there's the rails for each panel to affix to the roof, and of course installers time on the roof. Finally there's the spark who hooks it up and does the grid tie in, so I figured €700 or so for 3x panels including install time .....is ballpark ok. Then you want the company who employs the installers itself to make a few quid, they have people to pay too I'm sure not "on site", advertising etc so I figured anything up to €1k is probably reasonable. Course it's not binary that €999 = ok and €1,000 = bad, but nice to have some guideline.
The 1k per kwp is a rough estimate for a 10 year pay back.
For example, for each 1kwp installed, in a south direction, will generate about 800kwh in a year.
At 15c/unit that's 120 euro. - that's gonna be about an 9 yr payback. - and with 1kwp there's gonna be very little export.
As the number of panels are increased, the export is going to increase, increasing the payback period, so round it up to 10 years.
As a good guide, that's how the 1k/kwp settled in.
Unfortunately due to COVID and resumption of general demand everything everywhere is going up, any building material I've looked at recently, from sand to blocks (Irish source) through to stuff like TEK7 have gone through the roof, as for wood products you can just forget about it.
Whilst current stocks exist prices will be stable but once wholesalers go low and go to reorder anything they are getting shock prices and all flowing through to end user like us.
I think it will be like this for another year or so, similar to global chip shortage
May this year
But how old is your setup 🤔
I have been pointing the out for weeks now.
Fair play 6.
I think if the forum can stop the major rip offs, then we've done alright. Sure, you might save a hundred here or two hundred there by going with another installer, and it's often not a like-for-like where some installers will pass on the BER stuff to you and/or grant application for you to reclaim....while others will do that for you. But I've seen people save thousands here, myself included. Some right cowboys out there.
The battery thing is an interesting one. I've been for and then against them. With the grant I'm generally "for one" - but it's a ~9-10 year payback on the math. Depends on your individual usage profile, but if your using 15-20units a day, and can use the capacity you've filled with solar.....the larger batteries payback quicker.
Without the extra €600 or so you get from the grant, they are increasingly less desirable - unless your doing self-builds like DrPhil, and that has it's own rewards. What's harder to quality of course is the intangibles such as improving the efficiency of your system, easing the load on grid at peak times, the convenience of not having to put on the washing machine etc at 1pm when the sun is shining to maximize your solar. Those things are worth different amount to people I guess.
Are you suggesting this figure of €1,000 /1kwp before or after the grant is applied?
In terms of the solar panels themselves, they are all much to a muchness. Sure, some manufacturers may give you a percentage point +/- over another, but for the most part, they all just do exactly what they day on the tin. I wouldn't be too concerned on one brand over another. The number you put up, the best advice that I or anyone will probably give you is put up as many as you can reasonably afford. Sure, you don't want to be insane about it, but if you think you need 12 and you can fit 14.....slap up the 14. You'll thank your present self in years to come.
The quotes themselves though are ok. Arguments ensue , but (ballpark) if your paying more than €1,000/1kwp then you are paying too much. yeah, you can get panels installed for cheaper, but if it's more than that....."thanks but no thanks" and move on. Your Quote1 (without the battery) is ~€890/Kwp, so yeah, your not been taken for a ride at least. I've personally seen some scandalous quotes. Free-market-economy of course, and if they want to quote that and they can get people to pay, more power to them. Sadly if it's preying on the ignorance of people, it doesn't sit well with me :-(
I got a bigger 5.7 system albeit with a smaller 2.4 battery, and it cost 2k less.
People are being ripped off, but then told it's an ok quote.
People need to price around as many places as possible.
Now if batteries are going way up thats a different story. Then, I'd be questioning are they even worth the money..
Is Quote 1 with and without battery?
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