It was also doing the rounds around Leinster House so he would have heard it there too.
So Matt Carthy believes every rumour he hears, even when he is aware of zero evidence to back it up. Must remember that next time I am accused of repeating a rumour.
Ok well answer the following questions.
Do you think there was leak?
If you think Harris did not leak it leaves only Humphries or Paschal the Rascal, so who do you think leaked?
And any number of officials and advisers who would have known about it.
If Zappone was texting all over the place about it, it was hardly a secret before Cabinet.
You never answered my questions and if it was hardly a secret how come MM never knew about it until the cabinet meeting?
I don't know if there was a leak from Cabinet but a secret isn't a secret if more than one person knows about it. If information was received by a journalist, it could have come from a number of places.
If it was hardly a secret how come MM never knew about it?
Massive over reaction on your part.
He referred to the sting FG set up to try catch the leaker. The only thing he did was claim they were trying to catch Harris. If he knew that it wasn't Harris, you'd have a point. However the government have set the precedence where much much worse is acceptable behaviour so he's nothing to worry about. In any case Harris won't do anything.
He abused Dail privilege to repeat rumours. Not facts.
How do you know it's not fact? O''Donovan has not denied the sting and why hasn't Harris got the Dail record corrected? If I was Harris and I was innocent I would have gotten that done first thing last Thursday morning. The longer Harris does nothing, the more guilty he looks.
how do you know he " abused dail privilege " ?
that isn't a " fact ' either , but your claiming it is so .
if harris leaked from cabinet ( some one did , if not harris it was someone else in fg ) then that is exactly what dail privilege is for !
the only ones that can clear this up is leo ( who confronted the leaker ) pod ( who set the " sting " up , and harris .
unless you were they're you are only basing your own post on hearsay and ruomor too
She can't bare to admit she is wrong. A hallmark of the FFG supporters on here.
You stated that all Mat Carthy did was repeat what was stated in the media.
To clarify, Simon Haris's name was NEVER mentioned in the media. Therefore you are lying.
He admitted that he had no proof. Therefore he abused Dail privilege.
You do not understand what dail privilege is intended for if you think this was an abuse of it.
I would assume that the exercising of dail privilege is a very serious matter and that it can be exercised only once every six months . I do not know if that is per party or evert six months of dail sitting time.
what I found astounding though was what Matt McCarty , in a recent radio interview, did not discuss it with anyone in the party - including MLM. I never knew that SF members could act on such matters alone?
what if other SF TDs’ had other ‘issues’ to raise under dail privilege and maybe some with ‘proof’ to accompany them. They must now feel very aggrieved as they must have to wait for at least six months. And how will they decide who’s turn is it. ML better wake iPad take back control or else ‘ all hell will break loose’ as they say
There was a rumour in a newspaper about a sting, something gossipy and trivial.
Carthy repeated the rumour but attached a name to it, based on nothing. He is an idiot.
Since when did Micheal Martin become all-knowing. It's not a secret that I was out for a few pints last night, but neither you nor him know about it.
You have asked one of the silliest questions ever.
Why have I asked a silly question? I have asked an obvious one. I never said MM was all knowing but I did state if it was no longer secret why did MM not know about it? You would think that MM would know everything that his cabinet is doing or planning to do?
Do you think he is wrong? Do you think a sting occurred? If Simon did not leak, it just leaves Paschal or Heather, so who do you think did it?
I wouldn't think that Martin would know everything that his cabinet is doing or planning to do!! Does he know what Paschal is having for dinner tonight, for example?
You keep saying he had no evidence, I keep saying he never claimed to. Then you post about how upset you are that SF the party you hold in much higher regard than the government parties let you down. I'm not buying it.
He made a claim it was Harris FG were after. I ask in all honesty, so what? Very uncomfortable for FG I know, but they were trying to catch some FG member, we just don't know who.
'new politics', IMO, refers to all the lies FG told to get elected.
Explains why Harris came out to deny it.
TBF, Carthy might be right. You seem to be sure he's wrong. You wouldn't have any evidence or are you just going on faith?
What Paschal the rascal is planning to eat for dinner is another deflection. That is something MM does not need to know. MM needed to know about the Zappone appointment in advance and not at the cabinet meeting. So, why throw in something that has no bearing on what I am talking about.
What you think Martin needs to know may not be what Martin thinks he needs to know.
Either way, Martin still doesn't know I was out for pints last night, even though it is not a secret.
Surely we can agree Martin needs to know about appointments ahead of government meetings, like where FG failed to inform him and had to apologise? That's well documented. As regards the sting operation FG engaged in I'd consider that internal party sadness, however that too was well reported.
Why are you so sure Harris wasn't the leaker FG were trying to catch? You seem much more upset that Carthy named Harris as the target, then the fact that FG were engaging in such pettiness, not forgetting all the lies and crony appointment and Varadkar leaking himself?
Difficult to take you serious.
This is not about him claiming to have evidence. Generally, if you are going to accuse someone of wrongdoing, one needs to have evidence.
Or is it ok to go around telling people that Mr X is a pedophile, and then when confronted on what basis and evidence I am making that claim I can use the 'Well I never claimed to have evidence...'
It is not the get out of jail card you think it is, in fact, it's a kind of pathetic excuse.
You keep making it about him not having evidence Harris was the leak.
He didn't accuse Harris of wrongdoing, (leaking like Varadkar did) he claimed Harris was the individual FG were trying to catch out in their sting.
Some stretch there Mark. No, it was wrong when you accused Francie of supporting paedophiles then and now, which you never apologised for.
Again, the claim was FG suspected Harris, not that Harris was the leak, however even if he had of claimed Harris was the leak I would still see it as Carthy merely referencing the talk in political circles, the sting is a fact though.
I think yourself and other pretending to be outraged while hand waving away cronyism and barefaced lies and the deletion of texts is pathetic. Nobody believes it.
He didn't accuse Harris of wrongdoing,
What nonsesne is this now?
He stated in the Dail that he leaked from the cabinet, which is unlawful. He name-dropped him. He knew well what he was doing yet you seem to want to defend it regardless, and he had zero evidence to back up his claim.
Some stretch there Mark. No, it was wrong when you accused Francie of supporting paedophiles then and now, which you never apologised for
Eh, what? What are you on about now? Trying to deflect from the issue?
In other news, there has been commentary online that some (I reiterate some) of those who protested the private residence of Leo Varadkar were SF members or activists. If they were they would have been acting alone and not under the party banner. MLMD and others have condemned it, but when you create a permanent feeling of outrage, its hard to control the masses. This will be a thing of the future when/if SF get to power as many people will switch from SF to an angry Nationalist far-right populism when the SF aura of utopia wears off.
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