Her recall of when they were visible may be faulty.
Our Justice system was "balanced enough"?
Here's Judge Moran in the libel trial ;
"She said she came here reluctantly. On the balance of probabilities I accept what Mrs Farrell told me, that the man she saw at the bridge was in her view Ian Bailey."
"Mr Lyons gave evidence that he was 80-90 per cent sure he had introduced Ms du Plantier to Mr Bailey. On the balance of probabilities I accept his evidence."
Judge Moran in 2010 on Leo Bolger ( who was a witness that Ian Bailey was introduced to STDP ) and was caught with cannabis worth €50,000.
“I think perhaps you were driven to trying to survive in the magnificent peninsula of Dunmanus Bay,” Judge Moran said.
Judge Moran in 1997 :
"A 16-YEAR-OLD described as a drugs wholesaler had £2,360 worth of cannabis resin when he was arrested by gardai last May.
The youth, who cannot be named, pleaded guilty yesterday to a charge of possessing cannabis. He was sentenced to four years in prison by Judge Patrick Moran. The sentence is to run consecutively to another of two years imposed last November."
By the end result yes, the justice system in this case functioned as it should and Bailey was rightfully charged with nothing. I can't say about the libel case.
Regarding your repeated question to people wether Jules is lying, I dont think you know that yourself. It seems Jules and her kids had a very traumatic family life long before Bailey arrived. How that effects someone I honestly could not begin to imagine. I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that she would lie if she felt it was the best thing to do.
You haven't written much to convince me you're capable of following a thread of logic. " I guess so, aware of it at least. Maybe with a coercive element." Think a bit more about your 'logical' guilty scenario before just throwing it out there or do you want others to do that for you because you can't be bothered or aren't actually following a thread of logic?
So you think it's fine that Ian Bailey has lived presumed guilty in the court of public opinion which the justice system is responsible for and hasn't done anything to rectify?
"It seems Jules and her kids had a very traumatic family life long before Bailey arrived. How that effects someone I honestly could not begin to imagine." I'm sure your heart is breaking.
On the Bandon tapes there is this recording between senior Guards;
"I tell you now, unless we break Jules, who I think must have **** something for us, we need her broken and we need to have it because if you stand back from it, it is a very arguable, it is fifty-fifty."
You'd agree there, that it was just a failure to 'break' her. Wouldn't you?
The Justice system
All it takes is one onside DPP to allow charges be brought or high court judges to allow Bailey be extradited.
If there is a political will you'd imagine it will happen, perhaps Michael Martin will try and keep the people of Cork onside before the next election and be the Taioseach who caught a murderer.
Unless of course there's a knowledge amongst higher ups in Irish politics and garda that Bailey is innocent, and even they might be above sending a potentially innocent man away for life in prison.
The fact that he's never been sent away before makes me think that could be the case.
I wonder was the laptop examined? Maybe the Gardai didn't have the access that time to those that could forensically examine it. Could show when the articles were started or finished and might be useful one way or another. Is it still around?
I think you need to take a few deep breaths.
Followed by a course in basic reading comprehension.
You need to educate yourself a bit
"How that effects someone I honestly could not begin to imagine." maybe English isn't your first language
You genuinely don't seem to understand where I'm coming from on this issue, and that's ok.
But it's a crying shame that this pre prepared rant you have been trying so hard to crowbar onto the discussion here all day is completely wasted on me.
It happens quite a lot. You're following some "in fairness" merchant until you realise that they're allocating a little too much fairness to the side of an argument that simply doesn't merit it. That should be enough for you since you're switched on
"she was also able to place Jules and Ian at the scene of the crime much earlier than they said they arrived there".
That's interesting, I didn't know that,
what time did Shirley have them at the scene?
I can't seem to be able to find anything on that story.
I feel like I'm being attacked by a very angry sheep. No point trying to reason with it, best just to keep walking and hope it gets distracted.
There was no laptop. The article was hand written (in the kitchen of Jules' house apparently), typed up on a typewriter in the studio and eventually dictated on the phone to the newspaper.
"Shirley Foster - the woman who found Sophie's body - remained adamant she met Ian Bailey that lunchtime as he drove up her laneway at speed." Ralp Riegel 17/12/03 Independent.ie
Now I'm not sure about Jules, maybe Ian had put her in the boot. I'm a little curious about what Shirley says as she would appear to be suggesting that she was walking, since 2 cyclists would have to be careful when passing on this boreen.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bailey-confessed-that-he-killed-sophie-at-home-25918997.html
That's a new one on me, I thought the whole point was that they're quite placid. What did you do to the poor sheep?
That article says lunchtime,
that meeting was widely reported.
Bailey said they met on the Kealfada road (nowL8413), but Shirley was adamant she met him half way up the cul-de-sac.
What conversation they had when they met is also contradictory.
Faxed, I believe. There's records of this.
"She denied meeting Mr Bailey on the open road - as he claimed - and said he seemed in a hurry as he drove up the lane which had only three houses, including Ms du Plantier's."
The point is that you can find it on gurgle maps if you don't know the road, there isn't enough room for 2 cars to pass until you do the courteous thing of pulling over, flashing to say come on, and then the other car flashes and says no you come on, and then you're like Mrs. Doyle saying no I'll pay......, you get the drift. Was Shirley walking? Where? Just out on a stroll after only finding a dead body a few hours previously and along comes that boll*x Bailey and nearly knocks her off the road. The cheek
Which would you believe?
"crowbar onto the discussion". Try 'shoehorn into' the discussion. People seem to get a right laugh out of it. You'll be proud
Which? I'd believe my own eyes although the maps app is very good
Old typewriter not a word processor or something with a time record or memory?
Jesus that's a fairly awful read. The poor woman. She's a decent artist too by all accounts. Her life absolutely destroyed.
"To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game"
Bob 'the weirdo' Dylan
The domestic violence used against Jules Thomas is a well used rod to beat Bailey with..
And there can be no excuse for it, not in any circumstances or settings.
Why would Jules stay with him after the assaults (at least three, probably five)?
Her former Husband was also 'tarnished' shall we say...
So after several beatings, what did she see in Bailey that allowed her to forgive him..? No woman I know would have tolerated him after the first assault?
She's been in a relationship with him for around 30yrs (correct me if I'm wrong here), she must have seen some good in him to persevere for so long?
As previously stated by many other posters - She could have made life easier for herself and cut the dogs loose on Bailey, she had the perfect opportunity to free herself from him for the rest of her life..
She didn't..?
Instead she stood with him, supported him, campaigned for his innocence for every round.. Even to the point of her being vilified among the community.
Whatever Bailey has done to her over the years, she is still prepared to fight tooth and nail to defend him from the allegation of Murder. And to this day, vehemently states 'I know him, he did not do this'.
Her support is unwavering. Strikes me as odd, considering the abuse she's took over the years.
She would know him better that anybody else wouldn't she???
Interesting website, has some interesting documents from the murder trial in france if you snoop about it.
https://assoph.org/assoph.org/15_offences.html
Some interesting tidbits from that 15 offences page:
1)The almost total inertia of French police and judicial systems in the first hours after the discovery of the body till the end of 2007: A complete absence of actions usually taken (sequestration, call records, personal computer...) since the discovery of an offence, no matter where it is perpetrated.
Says here the French police did nothing until 2007.
3)The total absence of official information to the family by the Irish authorities for more than 12 years.
Irish authorities didn't give any official information to the family for a long time.
10) The loss of the 3 diaries (95-96-97) that Sophie had brought with her to Ireland.
This is a piece of interesting info I've never known before, it says 3 of her diaries that she brought with her were missing from the house.
Suggests whoever took them had working knowledge of the possessions of the house or they were taken with the investigation and hidden.
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