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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    He did discuss it with the generals but the problem was, they wanted him to stay in Afghanistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭BobHopeless


    They wanted him to stay at the airbase and begin the process of bringing out American's and anyone who helped them and Biden just pulled the plug leaving their flank exposed. It was a sh1tty move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I would be surprised if that was actually how things played out. I suspect that Biden was just told by the party to pull the plug and he did what he was told without scrutinising the decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is it not embarrassing for you to parrot the "they're not really in charge" meme as your own opinion? I mean, there's no discussion there as

    a) you've provided no evidence for it

    b) you've provided no evidence for it as it's not true but you're too chicken to engage in real debate as you don't have a mind of your own

    There's a few people at it around here basically offering nothing other than mild trolling.

    Can you prove otherwise?

    I mean it's clear Biden took the blame, he explained what intelligence told him and what he ordered and how he reacted when the intelligence turned out not to be true, I also don't think his generals are worried about him starting a nuclear war on a whim which is a great improvement and also a sign that he's really in charge, though I could see why someone of your persuasions would throw a tantrum when that is pointed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    You are entitled to that opinion. I’m open to having my mind changed but have seen nothing from Biden to suggest he is in charge and pulling the strings. I don’t go along with the idea that major mistakes are being made because he is incompetent.



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  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What would constitute to you evidence that he is in charge and pulling the strings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I don't think they should have let the Taliban leadership out of prison until they had a majority withdrawal done and had the Afghani forces running full security. Once that decision was made, the only options left were which one would make it less of a sh*tshow, and to be honest, they seem to have pulled it off.

    With perfect foresight the suicide bomb by ISIS-K could have been stopped, but besides that it was pretty much get people on planes, get them out. The fact that planes have been chartered and gone in and out of Kabul safely since the US withdrawal is a sign of great success.

    I personally think they should keep the option of drone missions for the region, this is a cr*ppy option as civilians will get caught up in it, but it's hard to see what else could be done other than getting boots on the ground again, it would be great to see the neighbouring countries step up, maybe that will happen now (or maybe the Chinese will force the situation a bit).



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    So apart from being the executive head of the USA, you don’t see any evidence he’s in charge?


    He hasn’t actually made any big mistakes, by the way.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Drones kill way more civilians than they do terrorists and are far less effective than traditional manned aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In fairness to him, he is having the 10k economic migrants on the Texas border out on planes and flown home.


    That decision would not have been made without significant anger from the well heeled activists and corporate party donors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Is there any evidence for that. If the wrong target is picked, it's the wrong target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Completely true but the risk to yourself is 0, hence why they get used and will be used more and more into the future. They shouldn't need to exist in the first place, but they do and will get more and more advanced and used by many other countries as well.

    I mean, the other option is to go back to using cruise missiles predominantly, but they're even more indiscriminate in who they target (and yes, the best option is that everyone gets along puts down their weapons and gets along with each other).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'd also like to see the evidence for it, but I think because drones are cheaper and less risky, they're more likely to be used these days than a person in an aircraft would have been in the past, so previously, only very high value targets would have been authorised, whereas with drones, the bar for putting them into action is much lower (rightly or wrongly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    😂 his generals not being worried about him starting a nuclear war on a whim is a sign he is really in charge.

    I suppose you are correct, but it is a really low bar.



  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A few people have asked you the following question.

    What would constitute to you evidence that he is in charge and pulling the strings?

    Why are you choosing to ignore this question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I said to the first person that asked that I’m not going to play that game. It is a game always played that those who have no interest in a discussion or giving their own opinions.

    People that go ‘source’ are best ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    What brought you to the conclusion that they aren't in charge? What led you to this opinion?



  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you want to state your opinions and not have anyone ask you questions about why you have those opinions? Boards is not an echo chamber nor a safe space.

    "People that go ‘source’ are best ignored.

    Republicans in a nutshell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    I know, how dare a poster ask you for evidence to back up your opinion! It's almost like you're the one that's not interested in a discussion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The reason people ask for a source is because I can say "jackboy loves Joe Biden and wants him to be the forever president", and now it's true, do you want a source for my statement?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,709 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Trump is constantly being brought up in this thread and it's going off topic, can we stick to the topic of the Biden Presidency please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Earlier you reacted to being asked to back up your claim that Biden wasn't in charge by saying it was a game to ask you to do so which you wouldn't play. And yet here you are, literally pushing Fake News. Have you paid any sort of attention to American politics? Who do you think are the members in 'The Party' who would have done what you are suggesting?

    Give us some names of the people who, in your mind, have the gravitas to direct Biden and he would do their bidding meekly. Elizabeth Warren perhaps? Well, probably not given he won the nominee ahead of her and surely if she had such sway, that wouldn't have happened. Maybe it was Bernie and AOC. Although they are trying to get him to be forceful on healthcare and student debt reduction and that isn't happening so probably not them. Maybe its Schumer, although he can't get Biden to push for filibuster reform so probably not him either. Maybe Pelosi, although given her career and senior position she has held, surely if she had that sway, she'd be the one sitting in the White House right now having 'directed' the party to select her. Maybe it's Joe Manchin or Kristen Synema although I suspect if was doing what they wanted there'd be no reconciliation Bill being pursued. Maybe you think it is the Hollywood elite, or George Soros, or the illuminati or whatever conspiracy theory nonsense you liked on Facebook recently that you are alluding to.

    You know what I think, I think that it was so obvious even to people who cannot stand anything Democratic how incompetent Trump was at his job and how he looked to lie and absolve himself of any blame for things that went wrong that they simply cannot accept a President would actually take responsibility for something and mean it even when it is not a complete success. Therefore a President doing this and defending their position cannot possibly be true in your mind, despite no evidence to the contrary.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    so you think it’s fine to state a random opinion, without backing it up with anything at all? I didn’t asked you for a source, I asked you why you believed it. You can’t even answer that simple question.


    That isn’t debate.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭zom


    It is Biden administration and supporters trying to partly blame Trump for Biden "successes". And it is natural that you can't talk about the one without mentioning the other.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,709 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords



    And that is fair enough, there are legitimate comparisons and succession issues to be discussed, but the way this thread has been been going recently Trump has been mentioned more frequently than Biden and, as I said, it's dragging the whole thread off topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭zom


    I wonder what is your definition of "big mistake" - to start atomic war probably?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Withdrawing from Afghanistan was managed badly, but was the right thing to do. How it could have been managed better is a tough one.


    So what big mistakes do you think he made?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    It's not a tough one at all Brian?

    Civilians and aids out, before the army and take your weapons with you.

    C'mon man



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    As for all this why isn't he in charge bla crap.

    Why did he say he'd get in trouble for answering questions?



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