As gossip spread around in the days after the murder and fingers were pointed,
I'd say quite a few were in the direction of the yer man .
And maybe people only started noticing things / remembering after the murder stuff that had happened / begun before it.
Do we have a list of all the people who bought bleach or burnt rubbish in December in the area?
This woman is claiming that when she seen the fire she suspected Bailey might have been burning evidence, but the fire was before Bailey was even a suspect.
Good points.
So how would she know he might be burning evidence, when he wasn't even publicly ID as a suspect
Very good question .. Is this the woman whose pic i posted earlier? Weren't there two women who saw the fire?
Totally agree with this post... Who would keep a bag of blood stained clothes at home for three days before burning them.
C'mon.... Get Real!
The very items that would incriminate a murderer & guarantee a life sentence without parole (don't bother arguing this point)
How can you suspect your neighbour of burning evidence if they are not suspected of anything..?? They sound like country bumpkins to me?
The more you scrutinize the evidence, the more it becomes clear that Bailey was a patsy for an incompetent murder investigation.
Which leads you to the terrible realisation that they let the murderer escape scott free...!!
How can you suspect your neighbour of burning evidence if they are not suspected of anything..?
If you suspect them of something, you can suspect them of burning evidence.
It seems that IB was put in the picture not simply to get someone's mate off the hook, but rather to avoid something huge coming to light if that person was pursued. The question is what. Could there have been some kind of "white knight" intervention? STDP makes complaint about shady dealings to looped-in guard who flags it. That guard then gets wind of an imminent threat to her (who he may be interested in) but arrives too late. Hell, even IB might be some kind of witness but can't say. It smells like one extreme situation superimposed over another.
So it would be better to have a bonfire in the backyard the very day a badly beaten body is found a couple of miles away? The fire was on Christmas Day/St. Stephen’s day and was right outside the back door of the house. Of course you would be thinking that it is dodgy, especially when the gardai had been around asking about any suspicious activity or people with visible injuries.
The neighbours were all aware of what had happened to Jules so they would probably have had a certain view of him from the get go.
Have you submitted the script to any producers?
Or maybe anyone burning would be looked on suspiciously. One person talks about an air of paranoia took hold of the area
It wrote itself really, is it that crazy?
To conclude that Ian Bailey is guilty of this crime there is no question but that Jules Thomas and her daughters must also be accessories to murder. Jules Thomas was the first person to see Ian on the morning the body was discovered and if those scratches on his face and arms were as bad as people appear to think, she cannot but have seen them and known they hadn't been there 7 or 8 hours before. Her daughters must also have seen them. They would have looked fresh and bloody. Jules comes across on any footage I've seen of her as a thoroughly decent person but I may be mistaken.
Did they decide together, at around two that afternoon or as some people think much earlier, that the best course of action is to go to the scene of the crime as that will throw the cops off the scent?
In any case, she and her family have been deliberately shielding a murderer for 25 years now.
If all he was burning was clothes why not do it in a fireplace rather than outside
I'm not really seeing the point of the bleach as a sort of intermediate stage of the cleanup, if you ultimately intend to burn/bury/whatever the stuff. Wouldn't bleached clothes be massively discoloured and streaky, almost as dodgy-looking as bloodstained ones?
I think to conclude that Ian Bailey is guilty and actually did it is very much in question. After all, in Ireland he's a free man.
However I do think that if he would have done it, at least Jules Thomas would have knowledge or let's say it's beyond my understanding that she wouldn't have noticed anything at all.
I often also considered the possibility that she could also have driven the car to Sophie's house, Ian as a passenger, Ian killing Sophie and then being driven home by Jules.
Ian would hardly have asked Jules after a night in the pub, to borrow and drive her car, nor is it likely that Ian Bailey hiked on foot all the way to Sophie's and back again, blood all over him.....
No, there was a mattress and bedclothes , quite a burn.
Still smouldering next day.
That's nonsense...
Based on your reckoning, anybody that puts out their bins are potentially getting rid of evidence.
The Justice System of Ireland couldn't muster a case against Bailey, so how could a pair of country bumpkins looking over the ditch form such an opinion??
Maybe the Gards refreshed their memories...?
You're correct. The bleach wouldn't have worked on the clothes, unless the clothes were white... I don't think Bailey wore white shirts.
Yeah I know, but they're hardly items used in a murder?
If its just boots and jeans etc that you've worn during a terrible murder, why not burn them in a fireplace inside away from view?
And why would you apparently wait 3 or 4 days when you could have burned them before Sophies body had even been found?
Unless... the studio from which they came had been used as the scene or a tryst between suspect and victim.
(Which does not seem likely as she had her own place)
And given the extent and understanding of DNA tech in 1996 you would not be concerned, as a perp, about invisible traces.
So the most plausible explanation for these highly visible purchases of bleach and burning rubbish... is a clearout of the studio as Bailey says and DPP accepts.
It's cold water for blood, hot water just locks in the stain. i don't know about effect of bleach
In my opinion you not only have to prove Bailey knew Sophie, you'd have to prove he knew Sophie and knew she had travelled alone and was alone in the house.
Firstly, is any person going to go knocking on doors and windows of a strangers house in the middle of the morning if he thinks there's potentially someone with them in there, like kids or a husband/lover.
Secondly, is someone going to commit a horrendous murder without knowing 100% that no one else was there in the house?
In my opinion the person who murdered her would have had to know she was there alone.
Interestingly a wiki entry of crimes of 1996 lists murders including murder of Veronica Guerin and Jerry Mccabe . But it refers to the death of Sophie
life sentence without parole is wrong. It wouldn't guarantee anything. Life was seven years before being considered for parole then . If he was jailed he would probably be out now. Anyone who wants a guarantee should buy a toaster
Jules almost broke remember. Can you imagine, how after some probing questioning, Detective Dwyer must have felt when she recalled how Ian had got up to do some writing. Dwyer must have been high-fiving the lads ; "what'd I tell ye boys, Colombo's back in the saddle". How crestfallen the poor man must have been a little while later, when she said that early next morning Ian made her some coffee and she noticed nothing unusual. If anything she's worse than Bailey and probably the real brains behind the murderous clan. But Dwyer didn't make it to the lofty heights without some persistence. He'd get his sketch of those scratches.
Jules and her daughters are getting off too easily. Look how Jules has stood by him all these years. That alone tells us that THEY are guilty. There could be no other explanation.
Christ... Words fail me.
I wonder why Jules Thomas, and I guess to some extent Ian Bailey, still reside in West Cork?
Bailey would be recognised anywhere in Ireland at this stage, so can understand why he stays put..
But Jules could move back to England, nobody would know her there.. Start afresh so to speak??
Being dragged through the mire for the last 25yrs has to take its toll..
Even recently, a national broadcaster reminded the general public of the bashings she use to take.. She has no privacy here.
At what point is enough too much??
running looks guilty and it's allowing bullies win
No Flannel, based on my reckoning , anybody I suspect of committing a crime are potentially getting rid of evidence when I see them
putting out bins, or burning rubbish.
Why the urgency for the clear-out over Christmas?
Where is your evidence of any urgency?
excellent point. I presume Jules has an open fireplace. You could cut up the jeans. If he did it maybe he didn't think
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