what is the implication that Jules was doing if she was out that morning - is this not after the murder?
haha, what absolute nonsense - everybody in the area would have known in about an hour - sure Alfie said he started ringing neighbours
Ian Bailey used to do some gardening for Alfie Lyons did he not?
I imagine if Bailey heard there was a murder in Alfies area he would have been one of the first people he called.
In fact I'd be shocked if Lyons wasn't one of Baileys prime sources of info regarding the murder. Considering how seriously Bailey takes himself, he might be the type of journalist to never reveal his sources because its a journalistic code.
He probably could have gone some way to clearing his name if he gave the sources of info regarding there being no sexual assault on Sophie etc
Why would he?
He has all the statements. It's not a secret. They are his legal right.
The reason of course is that nobody told him.
Shirley met him on the cul de sac down to the house and asked him if he was on his way to visit them. He told her he was there to report on the murder for the newspapers. She said the way the car kept coming at her she thought they wouldn't have even stopped if she hadn't stopped them. If Alfie rang Ian he was also keeping this a secret from his wife who had just had a very traumatic experience. Both him and IB would have to have kept that secret to themselves all down the years. Makes no sense at all.
Now you are deflecting with nonsense. Why can`t Bailey say who told him? Can you give a reason? He didn`t even speak to Cassidy until 1-40
Yawn. Alfie Lyons was '90%' sure he introduced Ian Bailey to STDP. We can be 100% sure that Alfie knew Ian. Alfie said that he rang the Guards about 10am after Shirley discovered the body AND some neighbours 'to check they were ok'. Ian might have heard the news by 10.05am. SO WHAT? Even if he was reluctant to divulge his source or the time he knew about the murder and said it was Eddie Cassidy told him, it tells us nothing. They're both journalists and tend to be vague about sources. Eddie Cassidy was all over the place on time as records from Schull Garda station show. It's ridiculous how much importance is given to stuff like this.
This raises an interesting possibility: Did anybody ever consider the murderer to be a woman? Like Shirley or even Jules? At least nobody would suspect them.
Would Jules be afraid of incriminating herself if she wanted to talk
So why didn`t he just say Alfie phoned him and told him all about it? Because he knew the phone records would show that he didn`t.
Why wouldn't they just say that then? Mr. X or Mrs. Y rang us and told us about it around 11.30?
I don't know - Kids that age are not that known to be reliable with time and dates. Its possible she was right but she also be wrong.
All I know is if someone asked me what did I did last monday I would struggle to remember exactly what I did and exact times etc. I may even confuse what I done on Monday with what I actually done on Tuesday. I would also find it hard to recall the date and time I seen someone when trying to recall it at a later date. All these people could be right or they all could be talking about a completely different day.
If pressed (as that VM interviewer would have done if she was up to the job) could he not just say "I read it but I don't have a hardcopy" or somesuch?
Shirley Foster was the first to find the body. It was clear who it was. Alfie was on the phone to people almost immediately. A poster on here said she heard what had happened before midday, and she was in Cork City!
Bailey and Jules knowing about the murder that morning means absolutely nothing.
In Sheridan's doc IB claims to have found this info in the Garda files. Curious.
I think she was 14, it sounds like she said Jules came back with vegetables since one of Jules' statements quoted in court says 'If Fenella says I brought home some vegetables then it must have been the Monday I was in Goleen' and the same statement says 'I drove past the scene at 11am and on to the causeway'. Jules denied in court saying these things.
Did Jules say she drove past the road to Sophie's on the Sunday morning?
If it was later, were they not using the car to go and investigate the murder? It would have to be after 3pm or so, it seems highly unlikely someone would confuse talking to someone at around 11am when it was actually after 3pm. It was mentioned on the 2pm news so you would think the word would have been out all over the place later in the afternoon.
She didn`t participate in the murder. But Bailey was able to tell her about the murder of a French woman locally that morning. He should not have known about it if he was innocent. He also had a phone conversation with a local woman, Caroline Leftwick, at noon. He told her a woman had been murdered locally. She recalled being shocked and wondered if she knew who it was. He said it was a French woman on holiday and she wouldn`t have known her. There is no way that Bailey could have had this information at that time.
The problem with the above witness's is how confident are they that they times correct and the date correct. Its difficult to estimate times at a later date which these witness's were recalling events which happened months before.
Since IB in his interview on Monday said "he made a statement and it was never followed up" and he has all the garda and French files, I think we can safely trust that there is a statement.
To announce there's a statement on national TV and it not exist would be a bit bloody stupid.
I never thought that Jules was honest. If Bailey really did it and came home blood soaked everywhere she would have noticed. She would also have noticed the bonfire behind the studio where Bailey burnt something, apparently "evidence". After all, she would have been his landlord.
I also think that Shirley knew more than she told, especially if Alfie was smoking cannabis. She must at least have known where he had it from and how often he got it.
So do you think Jules participated in the murder or is just an accessory to murder, which is almost as serious?
Definitely not corruption. When the journalist Ann Cahill turned up at Bantry Garda station having alerted a photographer to Ian Bailey's second arrest it was definitely not because the Guards told her. She couldn't remember who told her when a solicitor for Ian Bailey pointed out in a later trial that the Guards were the only ones who had that information. She said the Guards were not easy to get information from. So there you have it.
There was no "honest" investigator, just a naive one who thought Jules was being honest. The problem of course is that Jules`s "honest" testimony about her whereabouts on the morning after the murder was later contradicted by three separate witnesses. One of them was her own daughter Fenella. Jules has always maintained that she didn`t leave her house that morning. Fenella says she did and for a couple of hours.
Bill Fuller says he drove along the main road that ran in the direction from Sophie`s house to Kealfadda Bridge and Jule`s was driving in front of him. She turned for Goleen and he for Schull. He reckoned this was about 11-20 AM.
James Camier said that Jules came to his vegetable stall in Goleen between 11 and 11-30. She told him that Ian had to cover a story about a French woman that had been murdered. He was shocked and says this was when he first heard about the murder.
She shouldn`t have had this information at this time.
The boys on the Bandon tape were right to malign the original interrogator. He made a stupid mistake. But that`s as far as they should have taken it.
I think it is more than incompetent or unprofessional to deliberately remove pages from a job book. Interfering with evidence could jeopardize a whole case. That amounts to perverting the course of justice.
The aparent lack of investigation into when, who and why is incompetent and / or unprofessional.
Regarding the process of "disclosure"
I wonder has a status quo been reached, in that IB may wish to have charges brought against him so that the events of the investigation can be further unraveled.
Similarly, AGS may no longer wish to have charges brought against him, for the same reason.
That's not part of it. Everybody knew she was cheating on her husband.
The only speculation, I've heard about was Karl-Heinz Wolney the musician and the Gard from Bantry.
Also her husband was cheating on her, with his next bride to be.
not sure about corruption but definitely incompetence and unprofessionalism
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Whether anyone thinks Bailey is guilty or not, I don't think anyone can argue.
There is far more evidence of police corruption than evidence that Bailey murdered Sophie.
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