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Dark side of the ring

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Dreamer will always toe the line in hopes he can get something out of it down the line.

    That being said I can't really say much about the accusations other than Hall and Flair got away their terrible behaviour for far too long.



  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    I couldn’t believe when Dreamer said people loved what Ric did, it always popped the boys but on this occasion someone took offence. Text book victim blaming and gas lighting. Also rVD said some of guys would drug women and rape them. Lesnar, Hall and Flair are complete scumbags. It was fascinating to watch and highlights what we already knew in that wrestling is full of creeps. Would really like to see some accountability and consequences once in a while



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I saw RVD saying Flair did it but must of missed the part where he said outright wrestlers were raping women. I've no doubt it's true though.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It was related to wrestlers dropping pills into drinks



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,977 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~




  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    Apparently Tommy dreamer won’t be at impact tapings tonight after his comments on last nights episode



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    He's been suspended now too. Can probably kiss his BustedOpen radio gig on SiriusXM goodbye too.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well there’s a shock. I’ve seen his comments and given all you hear and read about Tommy dreamer he’s one of the nicest guys in wrestling, but I don’t know what **** possessed him to make those comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Were they comments made for the episode or were they from footage of him at the time?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I knew Dreamer would be in trouble with Impact. The women's locker room are quite vocal on assault.

    Dreamer only he has himself to blame. Clown.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    Flashed Terri Runnels while standing next to Dustin, her husband. (think they were still married at the time).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    Tommy Dreamer deserves everything he has coming to him.


    Disgusting comments and showed himself to be a real piece of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,621 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Amazing how the Dark Side Of The Ring has impacted wrestling

    Brian Pillman Jr gets a big push and the fans loving him but now we have Dreamer who will be lucky if he has a job and I doubt Flair will get a contract from AEW

    TK is typically quite serious public perception of his talent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Apparently Chris Kanyon is next. Undertaker won't come out of that smelling of roses if all the internet rumours and speculation about him are true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Wonder if all those CarShield ads with Ric Flair will be pulled that air during the likes of RoH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Don't really find it all that shocking that Dreamer wouldn't think it that bad. Wrestling has traditionally been populated by high school/college jocks and meatheads who think it's funny to shake their dick at a pretty cheerleader just after coming out of the showers. Would barely even register as inappropriate or a violation of any kind. You should hear some of the stories that Raven tells about his days in WCW. One time they set up a slip n slide in one of the hotel corridors, put some girl who'd been drinking with them at the bottom of it with her legs splayed, and then Perry Saturn came down it, face first, with a large dildo strapped to his head. Debauchery isn't hardly the word.

    Go back to between 1997 and 2007 and look at what they had women wrestlers doing on TV - bra and panties matches, bikini contests, Candice Michelle vs Melina in a chocolate pudding match, hot lesbian action. If that's the kind of misogyny they were putting on TV, imagine the attitudes they had when the cameras were off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Just watched the episode there and Tommy Dreamer, you're an idiot. Why oh why did you justify and soften Ric Flair's actions. Its bad enough to have that view, but then telling the world? Even if he's your mate you don't say that on tv.

    But you know what's mad... like let's go back to the roster of WWE 2002 and you have some talent. Some of the best wrestlers in the world. Easy to think they are 'smart dudes' - by that I mean, guys who are top of their game. Guys like Flair, Hall and Mr Perfect who seemingly 'get wrestling' and could wrestle a broomstick to a great match. Guys who can get a body (granted, steroids) but know what to do in a gym compared to a 18 year old with a weight lifters belt who has no clue what he is doing. To being credited as great wrestlers on the mic..... Then you see the other side - drugs and just mental going on's.

    I dunno. It's crazy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Brock v Reigns will surely be scrapped now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    If Tony Khan thinks he'll get eyes on his product with Flair he will book him. If he was serious then Sammy Guevara would be gone, Dustin Rhodes would be gone, Tyson would never have been booked, Nick Gage wouldn't have been allowed to step foot in an AEW ring....even Jericho would be gone. Will Osprey could never hope to set foot in AEW etc.

    Anyone who wants to succeed in promoting pro wrestling ends up making deals with the carny devil.



  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    Absolutely no chance of that happening I would have thought



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,880 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They have been.

    CarShield have paused all ads with Flair from airing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Ah come on do you really think Vince would suspend Brock of all people for anything ruining the main event of mega payday Saudi show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    This all happened about a month after the first ever brand split back in 2002, the WWE roster was stacked at its peak and all the loose cannons like Flair/Hall/Perfect etc. drafted to the Raw brand who were on this tour

    Austin, Taker, HHH, Angle would have been on that plane aswell but I can't recall anything mentioned about them being involved in anything on the flight which is odd, didn't Angle choke Vince on the plane or something crazy



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Anyone else feel like Dustin Rhodes got off very lightly in the episode. Like they didn't go into some of the allegations against him that were as bad if not worse and even painted him as sympathetic? I don't want to get into tribalism but I do feel like DSOTR might be getting to close to AEW in that regard. It was a real oversight in the episode.

    Other than that it was horrifying even if it's been well documented in the past. RVD's comment on the drugging of women was the most shocking thing for me, absolutely appalling. The Flair stuff has always been strange especially because of how often it's brushed off as just Ric being Ric or somehow hilarious. I remember seeing it in the 30 for 30 and thinking that it was a really odd thing to put out as 'fun'. Mind you, people often brush off flashing as a joke which is messed up.

    Dreamer shot himself in the foot, for no reason except a chance to be interviewed. Definitely always had the reputation as being a nice guy but it seems more likely that he is just loyal to whoever is the most beneficial to him at a given moment, I don't know maybe I'm jumping to conclusions. All I know is he didn't exactly come up smelling like roses after those comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    I don't think it's so much AEW related as much as contributor related. I think Dustin got off lightly both in the show and after the event because of JR and his friendship with Dusty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Should it be so shocking to anyone that professional wrestling is a sleazy business full of sleazy people? It is a business born out of a carnival con. They even call their fans 'marks' which was originally a term for a person who'd be easy to part from their money. Every time we get a glimpse at what goes on behind the scenes, it's like we can't believe some of the stuff that goes on, but after the steroid fiasco, the brain injury fiasco, the sexual harassment episodes, the medical malpractice revelations and all the stories about bullying we should probably accept that wrestling is one bent business. There'll probably always be something going on behind the scenes, much as there probably will always be stuff going on in Hollywood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Yeah Angle and Vince had "takedown challenge" on a plane once. Even the boss getting in on it eh?

    That episode of story time has been pulled from network. Along with the plane ride from hell episode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    It says a lot about the industry that this is causing a such hubub with people getting suspended and ad campaigns being pulled while poor Daffney comitting suicide a couple of weeks ago is pretty much forgotten.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,880 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Undertaker on Rogans's podcast earlier this year calling this generation of talent soft for playing video games and using social media shows because when he started they carried knives and drank in the dressing rooms thankfully that mind set of previous generations in wrestling is going away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I'm sure Daffney won't be forgotten. It's a matter of when her story is told.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Perhaps, maybe I'm just saying AEW related because the talent they talk to that are currently in the business are all AEW based. I'm thinking even Jericho wouldn't narrate something that would come down on talent in AEW, especially someone like Dusty who is the brother of an EVP of the company. I don't know maybe I'm making some false connections, I just think it's odd. Even still I would argue that any documentary that can't fully explore a topic because of who they're interviewing isn't a very good or objective work and is showing bias.

    Honestly, them not covering Dustin in-depth is one thing but it felt like they went out of their way to make him sympathetic, that's what raised my red flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    What did Dustin do besides singing that song, stopping flair etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Allegedly he grabbed another flight attendant's arms repeatedly. Asked if her breasts were real and said to her; "you and me are going to f*&k'. Grabbed her back side and rubbed his groin into her. He is named in the lawsuit specifically along with Flair and Hall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Just watched it. I think it's safe to say that even Breezango would argue there's a huge difference between the legalities of how someone wears their hair and what Flair did. What was Dreamer thinking?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    The flight attendant you wanted no part to play in This documentary?

    shitty but wasn’t included as other flight attendant said no



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Indeed, my first thoughts were very sympathetic to Dustin, he seemed like the one good guy in the story.. till I read some comments on 411



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I'm aware the flight attendant didn't want to be involved with the documentary but the lawsuit is publicly available to read online and they could easily have had someone read the allegations or actions impartially. Some of their past episodes couldn't even exist without doing that.

    My bigger gripe though is the fact they let him off lightly regardless of that. They made him look sympathetic and a guy who was sad and downtrodden, that's not right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    How are people watching this series? Netflix, amazon etc??? Be very interested to get in to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭cena




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,880 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Next week's episode is on Chris Kanyon and by early reports Flair doesn't come out of this episode looking much better than he did on this weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Will be interesting to see if they go after Undertaker for Kanyon too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    Angle was on the Smackdown roster after the brand split. This flight was the Raw roster for the May 2002 UK PPV. The Smackdown UK PPV was in November 2002. Back in those days they had brand-exclusive PPVs and would only bring the rosters together for the major PPVs, like Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, et al.

    Kurt Angle wrestling Vince and the Undertaker intervening would have been in either December 2000, May 2001, or November 2001.



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    How many of you didn't know the severity of the allegations regarding Flair before the episode?

    Did the episode really confirm anything you didn't already know? Nearly everything about that flight had been discussed in depth in numerous shoot interviews.

    The only real revelatione from the show for me was that Tommy Dreamer seemingly doesn't know how media works and that RVD pretty much openly accused everyone of being a Cosby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The kind of stuff he's seen go on, seeing Flair corner a stewardess probably wasn't that big a deal to him, and there's also a tendency for wrestlers to stick up for 'the boys'. I think Dreamer forgot that he wasn't doing a shoot interview for Kayfabe Commentaries where he could talk loosely and candidly, and was actually on a show which would be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.

    There's probably so much crazy stuff gone on behind the scenes in wrestling over the years that if DSOTR went on long enough it could probably get every single wrestler who started by 2005 cancelled.

    And the whole thing about Flair was a revelation... to mainstream media and advertisers, which is the most damning kind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    This is one of many things I've seen mentioned but never looked into it, so this was all pretty much new info to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    Huge if but "if" they did it'd be very interesting to see what wrestler would work as a talking head and say something against taker. It would be the kiss of death for any career. Would imagine Jericho would refuse to narrate it too. Omerta all the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,880 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Tommy Dreamer released a statement, I honestly think from reading it he still doesn't understand what he said was wrong.

    “Regarding my comments made on Dark Side of the Ring

    It was never my intention to offend, hurt or victim shame anyone

    I understand my comments were insensitive and could trigger emotions in someone’s own personal past.

    I do not condone sexual misconduct of any kind.

    I apologize to anyone I offended.

    From the bottom of my heart

    I am so sorry”



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