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AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You need to stop with this 200k stuff, Monokne who as we all know, knows everything has lliterally replyed to everyone your posts that it will not draw anywhere near 200k buys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Braun and Jinder, clearly, but I don't know about Lashley. He has looked exactly like that for over 15 years now. I don't think he could be roiding for that long and still be as well-adjusted as he seems to be. I think he's just a genetic freak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    There's only one genetic freak I care about. I'd actually love Steiner to pop up for a night in AEW or, preferably, WWE just for old time's sake for me. I loved the Steiner Brothers when I first started watching wrestling with WCW on ITV in the 1990s. Credit to Sting that he's still able to perform to a certain extent now he's about the only one left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Do yourself a favour and stick them on ignore, I did and it makes the thread a whole lot easier to read and with no of the petty bollix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Just seeing that Cody is actually a year younger than Omega.

    I guess all those years with the WWE from a young age makes it feel like Cody is way older than the rest of the Elite guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Pac/Andrade was decent however Andrade looks rusty to me and he needs to get more matches into him.

    Andrade dumping Chavo setting up Flair turning up as his manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Adam Cole just has it.


    Adam Cole vs Adam Page could be next 3/5 years of main eventing for AEW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Rampage was a fantastic hour of action. Such an easy watch and it was a better show than Dynamite this week with much tighter pacing. Andrade finally starting to shine, really good match and at least the story is starting to develop a little now - looking forward to where it goes. NY card should shape up in the next week and I'm excited for it as I'll be heading to it.

    I suspect we'll get Archer/Suzuki vs Mox/Eddie and I'm sure there'll likely be an 8 or 10 man tag of the Elite vs DB/Christian/Jurassic Express.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Over 200k buys is crazy. I think the company record was around the 140k mark, it's a huge increase on that. I think we all assumed it'd be their most successful ppv but for it to be that high is something else.

    With the TV ratings too, it's a company going well beyond expectations especially only 2 years in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Andrade/PAC was really enjoyable, easily El Idolo’s best AEW appearance so far. His character can be hit or miss but no denying how good he is in-ring, and PAC is PAC, so no surprise this was a fantastic pro-wrestling match.

    Mox making the save and celebrating with Pillman in front of his family in Cincinatti was a nice moment, I think going with the hometown hero rather than thoroughly embarrassing them as we've seen elsewhere down the years is the better way to go. Another very easy episode of Rampage to watch, good stuff!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Liked the Andrade match although the finish was a bit screwy. Also clear set up for Flair as his manager so he'll be on his 3rd manager already. They need to lock something down there as it's getting a bit silly.

    Women's trios match was alright. I like Riho and Statlander and if we ever get a women's tag title, they'd be a fun team to join the likes of TayJay, Allie and Ford etc as lynchpins for that division (although Statlander could be a good future women's champion, it might take a while as Rosa is surely next).

    Pillman Vs Caster grand too. The Acclaimed are good fun and them running with the Caster suspension as a joke between this and Dark is fun. Pillman is probably a future upper mid card singles competitor. Still not there and stuff like this and MJF will help him progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I just find it hard to believe any of Riho's moves have any impact. She just looks so light. Like with the double foot stomp on Rebel or anything really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It was really great to see the Pillman family having so much fun at ringside on both shows and trying to keep straight faces when MJF & Caster on the mic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I get that but you can say that about more than just Riho on the women's side and loads on the male side. I mean someone like Jungle Boy or Darby should have no legitimate chance against someone like guys of the size of Miro, Cage, Hobbs etc so it's pretty similar for Riho Vs Hayter.

    Her crossbody off the top rope against Hayter at the end was really good too imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Rampage is such an easy watch. Fite TV had cut out the ads so it was a handy 45 minutes. Don't think they normally do that, or else I've been selecting episodes from the wrong menu?

    Would be great if Andrade could improve his character, as his in ring work is top drawer. Not sure if Flair would help too much tbh, but Chaco was definitely a bad fit so it's great they pulled the rug on that union so quickly.

    Agreed that its nice to see a company highlighting wrestlers in their hometown and leaning into the positive reaction. Three times in quick succession now with Britt, Punk and Moxley/Pillman, so I wonder are they setting up a big angle down the road - could be nuclear heat in the right circumstances if you've conditioned the audience to expect the hometown hero to be the star of the night.

    Mark Henry doesn't offer much on commentary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Safe to say All Out was a hit.

    Dave Meltzer reported some additional notes in the latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter regarding the success of the show. The final buyrate is not in yet and won’t be for a few more months, but there were 205,000 buys accounted for at press time.

    As noted, this is the biggest pay-per-view number for a non-WWE show since 1999. It’s also the most successful non-WWE show in terms of revenue since 1999 as well.

    All Out had the highest second-market ticket prices of any pro-wrestling show in history with $367. This was done due to the rumors of CM Punk and Bryan Danielson appearing at the show although Punk made his debut a few weeks before on Rampage.

    All Out beat SummerSlam by 4% in Google searches on the day of each show. In the weeks leading into and days coming out of each show, All Out also topped SummerSlam by 14%.

    All Out was the second most-searched-for topic on the internet behind Labor Day on the day of the show. All Out also set AEW’s new record for most Google searches with over 500,000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Look like a few of the recent NXT releases are getting matches on the Dark tapings at Universal today at the The All Elite Zone or The Dark Zone the two different names given to the studio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Andrade v Pac was only warming up when it finished. I was really enjoying it but it ended too abruptly for my liking.

    Was worried Andrade had lost his way and this match was a little sign hes still got what it takes.

    Pac is just awesome.


    Enjoyed the main event finish. Love how AEW treats hometown talent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    As one the lads said, Andrade attacked Chavo because he cheated to help Andrade win. Ric Flair is the direst player in the game, what sense would it make to bring in a manager known for cheating because your previous manager cheated to help you win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    I noticed the lack of ad breaks on Fite too. They never did it before and don't do it for Dynamite, wonder what's changed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Garcia/Moriarty is going to be quality, can't wait. Moriarty is so good, as good as Garcia, I can see him having a similar break through!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    I noticed this too. Now I usually watch the next morning or live. I watched this Rampage last night, 22 Hours laters, maybe Fite are now editing out the adbreaks. Great if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It was a taped Rampage so I'm guessing FITE just edited out the ad breaks.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Is it just me, or is that an odd picture of Anna Jay?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Really enjoyed Andrade vs Pac. Andrade looked a lot better compared to the Sydal match. You have to think Flair will show up on one of the Dynamites in the next few weeks to take over from Chavo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Meltzer said that Bray Wyatt could debut at the 29th of September Dynamite (Brodie Lee's hometown) if he ends up signing. I thought his 90 days was up at the end of October though?

    I'm really 50/50 on this signing. I liked Wyatt family Bray but hated the Fiend. The guy never delivers in ring either. I honestly think he'd be better in Impact.

    Anyone else for or against it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I'm somewhere on the middle on the whole thing.

    I think Bray has a lot to offer and has a good creative mind, I even liked the Fiend initially (very briefly). Then again, I also completely agree that no matter what he does once that bell rings he's Bray Wyatt and that's not very interesting. I think for me it's all presentation, promos and packages that make him an interesting performer. I think he definitely has a lot to offer when it comes to that, even to elevate other talents but as a singles act I'm not sure he does much for me, if he lead a stable that could work.

    I've heard some suggest he go around promotions and make a Wyatt family made up of different wrestlers from all over which would be cool. That being said I'm pretty neutral on whether he goes to AEW or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    If he does come to AEW, will it be as a cult leader? Dark Order is long past that whole cult thing apart from Five and Ten still bearing those numbers and wearing masks. Speaking of, why do they still have the whole "Join the Dark Order" thing when they don't seem to get any new members. Even all their minions seem to have left them.

    And think I mentioned before, but I don't think it'll be as a Fiend type character since Tony is trying to avoid the supernatural stuff like the teleporting Matt. Which is why Bray would be better suited for Impact.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I honestly couldn't care less about the dark order. Brodie Lee was great when he was the leader but they do nothing for me these days. No one in the group interests me.

    Just on Adam Cole. Ignoring all the BTE "they killed him" bollox but didn't the bucks and Kenny turn on him on his last night in ROH so you would think he'd be against joining them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Not a fan at all and never understood the "creative genius" stuff that the wrestling media spouts. His last gimmick was crazy clown. Hardly original, is it? Although credit where it's due, Cena's Firefly Funhouse was very entertaining. But on the flipside of that, you have rubbish like the Rollins HIAC match with the cartoon mallet and this year's Mania match.

    Don't think AEW need him. They have a quality set of main eventers now in the likes of Omega, Bryan, Punk, Cole, Moxley, Black and Black's hocus-pocus is the level they should stay at. Bray and his alternate dimensions etc aren't needed.

    And if they're bringing him in to lead the Dark Order it seems like a waste of money. A presumably big contract for someone to lead a joke stable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    The roster is just too stacked now that I fear them adding new names will take away from the likes of Starks, Wardlow and others getting featured well. I know Tony is on record as saying he'll sign a bunch of new people by the end of the year so there must be some grander plan.

    Dynamites are starting to feel too crammed these days and they seem to do a lot of post-match run-ins/beatdowns just to get folks screen time. They could potentially add an hour to Rampage at some point but let's see.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If they become available Zayn and Owens will definitely be signed and tbh I'm worn out by the both of them, especially feuding with each other, the last few years. I wouldn't be pushed on either signing but I think they definitely will be signed.

    It's the women's division from WWE that I'd love to see some pick ups at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    At this rate, they'll probably end up with a brand extension. There's no way Tony is going to ignore signing big names from WWE, but he also has to keep watching the indy scene for potential candidates to sign as well. So I imagine Dynamite will end up going to two hours, and they will split the roster between the brands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    There is nothing stopping AEW giving talent time off rotating them in and out over a year. A lot of the talent are already allowed the work independent dates with the blessing of AEW and when travel around the world does start to open up without long quarantine times a talent exchange can happen properly.

    Having a big roster gives you this. There has been calls for years from talent and fans to having an off season this is one way of doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Young Bucks have trademarked the phrase Superkliq for clothing, Can't wait to see what the first Tee will be and the outrage it will cause from those that can't stand them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    What do we reckon, Trios or a Women's tag? A new singles championship maybe?

    Personally would love to see a Trios championship introduced. I think the idea of a trios title gets dunked on a bit because of how they have been booked by American promotions in the past, and that's fair and something I'd agree with. But if you look to Japan the Open the Triangle Gate championship has been contested in literally some of the best pro-wrestling matches ever so a Trios championship can definitely work. Or even recently, the NEVER Openweight six man and the Artist of STARDOM championship's in New Japan and STARDOM respectively were some of the bright lights for both companies during the pandemic era. I think it would work well with all the different units, similar to in Dragongate, and you know AEW would do it right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    I'd be down for a Trio's tag team championship. .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I do think there is room for two more titles.

    A Trio title and a No Limits Title similar to the X-Division & Never Openweight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Well that's surely an indication down the line, that The Bucks & Cole will drop Kenny when he eventually loses his AEW World Championship. Maybe Gallows & Anderson too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    With the amount of groups a trios would make sense. Don't think they'd need a new singles title, not like they need a cruiserweight title or a title like the X division. Should maybe look at a tournament with all the new talent they've brought in.

    Gives them an excuse to have one off matches like Bryan vs Jungle Boy, Ray Fenix, Dante Martin's etc etc without it needing a story or feud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    Trio Tag Championships seems like a good idea due to the number of stables on the show, I'd just be worried it might overshadow the Tag Team Championships a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Would they need another singles title? World and TNT titles are enough. Though a X Division type title would be cool, who could be the first champion? PAC or Fenix? Sammy?

    But think women's tag or trios would be a better next step. They have more women than NWA and Impact and both those brands have women's tag titles.

    They've had loads of trios matches so that title wouldn't be out of nowhere, especially since they referred to them as trios matches rather than a 6 man tag.

    One idea I wouldn't mind seeing them take from NXT was after the NA championship was introduced, they seemed to alternate which title took prominence on the show so we didn't get the NXT champion every week. So with more titles this would allow that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I could see 3 possible titles. Trios and womens tags are the two that are clearly being built imo, and the trios titles gives room for some of the faction wars to actually mean something. Women's tag again is clearly being built with some very clear teams emerging and possibly signing the Ilconics then. You can have Hayter/Rebel, TayJay, Bunny and Penelope, and then others maybe like Statlander and Riho (they're possibly too good atm to take out of the singles scene), Hart and Swole etc

    The other title I wouldn't mind is a Dark only title for elevation talent. With the studio show now and Elevation, you could do some fun things there with that title. It's less necessary but think it'd be a fun addition. Would give 3 clear titles for singles then, a PPV title in the world, a TV title in the TNT one and then a Dark one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I'd like to think it wouldn't overshadow it, and with The Young Bucks there, and guys like FTR, I'd say tag team would be in good hands.

    To me trio titles would contested with tag teams that are not in the title picture atm (so Young Bucks will take a backseat after losing recently and Trios titles give them a different belt to target) or factions that either don't have a clear tag team or are large ( so Best Friends, Dark Order, any combination of Matt and one of the HFO tag teams, Pinnacle and Inner Circle etc). So like as of now you could have Bucks/Cole, Jericho/Sammy/Hager, MJF/Wardlow/Spears, Matt and Private Party, Best Friends, either group in Dark Order competing for it and you don't actually damage the tag team scene really. When Young Bucks are back in tag team scene, you can rotate them with guys like Death Triangle, PnP, FTR going into the trios scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Adam Cole catching up on what happened when he was dead.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    The way I see rotating is that it keeps a roster fresh. People moan about Shida being on Dark exclusively but only makes the heart grow fond. The pop when she's on Dynamite will be for something meaningful.

    That's the criminal thing about WWE over the last few years; for such a big roster it's shocking that they can put the same match on Raw week after week. It inevitably leads to stars getting stale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Renee Paquette cameo too,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I do hope Shida comes back on TV soon though. She's too good not to be. She should have been on Dark tonight but apparently match/opponent was so bad they cut it.

    I know they're keeping her away from the title which is fine but need to find room for another women's match some week to get her on. If there's time for a Jade squash match, there's time for a Shida squash match.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Really looking forward to Daniel Garcia Vs. Lee Lee Moriarty on Dark Elevation tonight.




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