This is it exactly. If you don't want to hear people repeating opinions then maybe avoid listening to multiple shows where they appear.
I don't get this at all, they're never, ever going to have exclusives guests. Theres no such thing aside from the lads themselves, every single contributor they have is on multiple podcasts, websites, newspapers and betting sites in some cases. The Athletic is the only place operating that model and not a hope there's either an appetite or a market for exclusive GAA contributors. I've zero issue with McConville being on RTE, the examiner or wherever else he wants to be because I don't listen or watch them but as someone who listens to plenty of football podcasts you get used to Wilson, Brewin, Liew etc. repeating themselves if they are on more than one. Its not like they will change their opinions to suit the podcast.
Article in the Sindo as well today
Isn't most of Ken's chat on a Monday re-hashed from his Irish Times column.
Well do you want to listen to re-heated analysis? Maybe McConville will come out with something fresh but I doubt it. He mentioned last night that stat about Tyrone only converting 40% of their frees a few years ago and how they have improved their conversion rate significantly since then. That was the third time I heard him say it this week.
Why would they need someone on an exclusive basis?
I see Oisin McConville was on The Saturday Game review show last night. He’ll be on the the Irish Examiner podcast tomorrow and the Second Captains review (presumably) on Tuesday. Nice earner getting paid three times to say the same thing! Maybe Second Captains should look at getting someone on an exclusive basis.
Yeah, seems like a really nice person. It is pretty crappy that they can't get lanes for swimming and sometimes have to rely on the charity of the Olympians.
I actually didn't realise myself that Paralympians like to be referred to as Paralympians and not Olympians. Good to know.
Enjoyed the Ellen Keane interview, comes across well and liked her honesty
I don't think we were that unlucky against Azerbaijan to be honest. A draw kinda felt like the right result.
Ken reminds me of my old man. Takes positions he doesn't really hold and argues like a cnut until everyone is pissed off! Of course the longer the argument goes on the harder he digs in. Makes it worse that nearly all of us will know that he doesn't really hold such a position.
Just being an old contrarian.
Ken's acknowledging Ireland's good fortune in the IT, so he's not just the one-eyed Kenny fanboy he's been posing as in the podcast...
It's exactly the point that Ken is making though. We were lucky last night to get a draw. Unlucky to draw against Azerbaijan. People will see the result last night as a good one and the Azerbaijan one as a bad one. When in fact, if you look at the performances, we should be happier with the performance against Azerbaijan.
Wonder will Ken make any observations on 'luck' in the next football podcast
Also worth mentioning the best player we have for getting behind a defence is Coleman who was in the back 3 and so somewhat anchored to defensive suties
it’s difficult alright but far from impossible, normally you do it by a quick give and go to beat the offside trap and hit the byline. Man city do it repeatedly. Ireland not managing to do it successfully once in 90 mins is not good.
ireland swung in crosses in front of the defense, it’s more unlikely to create really good chances unless the delivery is real quality
they were chances but don’t tell me a McCarthy or Oneill team wouldn’t be able to swing in crosses from in front of a back 4/5/6.
How do you get behind a defence that are largely camped out in their box. It's extremely difficult.
Are you saying those particular chances I mentioned weren't chances to score? I don't see how not.
Ken admitted he got carried away in the heat of the moment on today's show. He did make a lot of valid points but he did lose the run of himself
Saying that, give me a carried away Ken than the drivel you'd hear on Off The Ball (apart from the odd occasion) or 2FM anyday
Among all the noise, I thought Ken’s point about Michael O’Neill’s first qualifying campaign was an interesting one. It’s worth checking out the NI results in that group which had Portugal, Azerbaijan and Luxembourg in it.
We didn’t create much against Azerbaijan. We swung over crosses again and again from bad positions.
when Kenny’s Ireland shows an ability to get behind defences I’ll be more convinced. Goals get scored more often than not by getting behind a defence. We never managed vs Azerbaijan, we did vs portugal but that’s been the only game and I’m not fully convinced portugal we’re fully clued in in that game.
I agree with what Ken was saying mostly ha. I don't see why people expect us to beat these teams. Portugal beat us because they have one of the best players of all time and the ref was awful. Connolly should have had a penalty too.
Serbia scored two very good goals against us. Our keeper was a disaster that day though.
The Luxembourg goal was a world class strike out of nothing. Plus Luxembourg actually have a good team, full of players who had played together for years. We have a team that is thrown together but slowly getting more and more experienced. Ken is right about the "fail better". We are better failing with these young lads than failing with Glenn Whelan coming back. Before the Portugal game people were giving out that Darren Randolph wasn't even in the squad. He won't even go out and get first team football. Bazunu almost cost us a penalty and that would have justified all those people giving out about him. But he saved it and he honestly looks like a keeper we could have for the next 15 years. Previous managers wouldn't have played him. Kenny threw on an 18 year old v Portugal and he played unreal. What a boost for his confidence going forward.
Slovakia....Hourihane had a 1 v 1 with a defender scurrying across the line, inside the six yard box. He hit the fecking defender somehow. I still can't get over that!
Azerbaijan drew with us because they scored an absolute wondergoal. I watched the highlights again, we had 4/5 very very good chances to score and we didn't. Idah had two free headers, one just wide of the post. Duffy had a free header too from more or less the penalty spot, he put it well over and was furious with himself. Coleman got into a great position and then took a left footed shot and curled it safely high and wide. Doherty also had a header from 6 yards out. Then we eventually got the goal through a Duffy header.
During Mick and and MON, there was lots of talk about chances created. We were creating nothing. So much so that the narrative was that even if we had Robbie Keane, he wouldn't have any chances to score from. Now we are playing with a load of kids, creating chances. They just don't seem to be able to finish.
Anyway...rant over. It is almost as jumbled up and rose tinted as Ken yesterday. Apologies!
It's showbiz baby!
Ken did seem to be channelling Dunphy at his most contrarian, especially when he said 'no' about 16 times in succession
does Ken give a fair prediction of what the score should be tonight on the show today? Just so that we can hear from someone who isn’t deluded like the rest of us about what should actually happen.
That's not the first time they've done that.
Set out the show by having a chat before hand, establish opposing polemics and hold that flag.
It just made me think that given how bad we've been in most matches since after Euro 2016, the results in this campaign should not be much of a surprise considering our squad is now even weaker and less experienced than it was 3-5 years ago. There's also the difference between how the football associations in places like Luxembourg and Azerbaijan have been behaving recently in trying to improve their football compared to the shambles that was/is the FAI for decades. Also the one step forward, two steps backwards thing, as seen with the last two games has been with us for years even before Kenny. For example how everyone expected us to kick on after the performance in the France play off and again after Euro 2016.
How did he have a point? What results over the past seven years were as bad as the two home games against Luxembourg and Azerbaijan? Ireland fans rightly expected better results than what we got.
It was beyond infantile stuff from Ken. Richie and Delaney rightly called him out on some of the nonsense he was spouting.
i mean how recent we talking? We qualified to the euros after beating the world champions and got to the last 16 of the tournament.
in the last campaign we drew 75% of games vs one team that knocked out the favorites and another that got to a semi without their best player.
the results have drastically disimproved
At times I thought it was a put on, but I thought there was genuine disagreement between the two or them, particularly as it went on. Right from the off you could hear it in their voices that this was going to be a bit more fractious than a usual disagreement.
It's rare that Murph challenges Ken, but when he does he's well able to back up what he's saying, but usually Ken doesn't get too invested in whatever they're arguing about so it peters out. But it's a different story with Kenny and the team.
Ken didn't like how forthright Murph was stepping into his territory and prepared to argue with him and so was obnoxious and petulant more or less straight away. He was trolling a bit, but he definitely tried to land a few low blows - "maybe you've seen too many Galway/Mayo matches" - to put Murph in his place. I think they genuinely got under each others skin
And the fact that he still kept referencing it when Murph wasn't even there looked really small time to me. I really don't think he enjoyed the debate.
It was just too forced from ken. He clearly doesn't believe most of what he was saying.
Perhaps, but I would imagine that they were at loggerheads in the pre-show prep and this was a follow on to that
